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Canadian military will rely on public servants to boost its ranks by 300k

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Re: Canadian military will rely on public servants to boost its ranks by 300k

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rogerrogerr wrote: post #169
gpm wrote: post #59

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The difference here is presumably for the last hundred years, ending last November, there was simply no chance of a invasion of Canada. Nukes might fly overhead and end the world as they struck targets on either side, but other than that we were safe and any significant military action we took part in would be overseas and thus not justify calling up a huge number of reservists. Meanwhile Norway was occupied in WWII,…

Hilariously wrong take - first, Canada does not have a chance if the US wanted to take it. Second, the US does not want to own Canada for a bunch of reasons, starting with the demographic and economic mess that Canada finds itself in.

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Re: Canadian military will rely on public servants to boost its ranks by 300k

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Post by potato3732842 »

colonwqbang wrote: post #127

How much useful combat skills can be taught in only a week? It seems like an extremely low estimate on the training needed to play a useful role in the military.

A week is gonna be mostly "here's how to function in our organization, this is our trade specific vocabulary, here's a rifle and how you use it"

You use your D-grade troops like that for behind the lines security. You use them to check papers at checkpoints, round up dissidents, keep people from taking pot shots at your supply lines, etc, etc, the kind of stuff you don't need expensive professional infantry[1] or even beat cops[2] for.

[1] Who's expensive infantry skills are unessary overkill

[2] Who can play checkpoint thug at the right level, but who have a bunch of needless expensive training put into them regarding laws, evidince, how to conduct a traffic stop, etc, etc, that is unnecessary.

Re: Canadian military will rely on public servants to boost its ranks by 300k

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Post by stackedinserter »

imgabe wrote: post #155
notatoad wrote: post #140

Earlier quoted context omitted.

except they say the training will include firearms and drone flight.

Everyone in the military should be trained with weapons. If it comes down to it, even the guy who mops the floors is going to need to pick up a rifle if the situation is dire enough. It helps if he held one before at least.

How much will you "train with weapons" in one week?

Re: Canadian military will rely on public servants to boost its ranks by 300k

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Post by mothballed »

mrguyorama wrote: post #144
colonwqbang wrote: post #127

How much useful combat skills can be taught in only a week? It seems like an extremely low estimate on the training needed to play a useful role in the military.

Every combat soldier requires like 10 support soldiers doing things like logistics. Millions of people during WW2 did nothing but drive trucks. A lot of military burst capacity is about freeing up soldiers who went through all the training and basic and specialization, but are stuck driving that truck. The guys and gals who fire bullets are just the sharp point of the spear and all that. It's also why Russia balloone…

Light infantry on domestic terrain doesn't need anything like those sorts of ratios. Chechen militia in the first Chechen war defeated the Russians well enough to win independence without any sort of logistics ratio like that on the military side, as did the YPG light infantry that defeated ISIS and held off the Syrian military well enough that they basically truced or better.

Higher ratios might be needed to project power to outside borders, but for defense within the territory they can be combat effective against many possible forces with small ratios of military side logistics.

Re: Canadian military will rely on public servants to boost its ranks by 300k

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Post by mplewis9z »

michaelt wrote: post #122
bonesss wrote: post #117

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Nukes might fly overhead Numerous Canadian sites, military and NORAD, were and surely are on first strike lists from the USSR and later Russia. The largest established combined bi-national military command in the world involves a fair amount of shared risk.

I think "Nukes might fly overhead and end the world [...] but other than that we were safe" agrees that Canada would not thrive during a global thermonuclear war.

You very conveniently omitted the middle part of that quote: “... and end the world as they struck targets on either side”. That very clearly implies that nukes would not be targeted at Canada, which is laughably wrong. There are multiple significant military sites that are part of NORAD that would be primary targets, let alone major population centers that would be obliterated if it came to full-on Mutually-Assured-Destruction time.

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Post by gottorf »

naijaboiler wrote: post #186
palmotea wrote: post #148

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> So maybe he should'nt've have broken laws. Not give them anything to pursue. It's not so simple: 1) everybody breaks laws, and 2) in at least one case those laws were stretched and abused in unusual ways to specifically target him (his felony convictions, which unsurprisingly were immediately turned into an electoral attack). I'm not a Trump fan, but I'm not a Democratic partisan either, and I think that prosecutio…

No sir, everybody does not break laws. Only people who routinely do like Trump thinks everyone else is doing it. That’s why he’s so sure he can find cases against his perceived political enemies only to find out the in thing he can find is the woman bough a second home, which she indicated is a second home, and let her neice stay there. Only criminals think everyone else is a criminal

The U.S. Code is over 20 million words, and the Federal Register was over one hundred thousand pages last year. That's on top of state and local laws. You're sure you haven't contravened a single thing therein?

With jaywalking and driving over the speed limit on one end, and murder on the opposite, you're positive that a motivated prosecutor can't ruin your life?

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Post by wat10000 »

palmotea wrote: post #125
gpm wrote: post #59

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The difference here is presumably for the last hundred years, ending last November, there was simply no chance of a invasion of Canada. Nukes might fly overhead and end the world as they struck targets on either side, but other than that we were safe and any significant military action we took part in would be overseas and thus not justify calling up a huge number of reservists. Meanwhile Norway was occupied in WWII,…

> The difference here is presumably for the last hundred years, ending last November, there was simply no chance of a invasion of Canada. The chance of Canada being invaded didn't change at all in November. The amount of hyperbole about Trump has been utterly astounding, and fears of an Canadian invasion are an instance of that. And my sense is that actually a fair amount of the bad stuff Trump has done (though defin…

Obviously the chance of invasion didn’t change in November. Trump took office in January.

The chance of invasion definitely changed then. You think the man is incapable of impulsively ordering the military to invade Canada? Or do you think the military would refuse?

You’re using the language of an abuse victim. Don’t provoke him, maybe if we’re quiet and good he’ll be nice to us. That doesn’t work. You have to get out of the abusive relationship.

The man tried to stay in office past the end of his first term with actions up to and including violence. In any sensible country he would have been thrown in prison at that point. This “don’t overreact, it just makes things worse” attitude is the only reason he’s here to fuck with us again today.

Re: Canadian military will rely on public servants to boost its ranks by 300k

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Post by wat10000 »

gottorf wrote: post #206
naijaboiler wrote: post #186

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No sir, everybody does not break laws. Only people who routinely do like Trump thinks everyone else is doing it. That’s why he’s so sure he can find cases against his perceived political enemies only to find out the in thing he can find is the woman bough a second home, which she indicated is a second home, and let her neice stay there. Only criminals think everyone else is a criminal

The U.S. Code is over 20 million words, and the Federal Register was over one hundred thousand pages last year. That's on top of state and local laws. You're sure you haven't contravened a single thing therein? With jaywalking and driving over the speed limit on one end, and murder on the opposite, you're positive that a motivated prosecutor can't ruin your life?

They probably could, because I only have so much money for lawyers.

If I had the exact same life but I had billions of dollars? I wouldn’t worry about it at all.

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Post by nick_ »

BigGreenJorts wrote: post #174
nick_ wrote: post #167

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Are you referring to the "Freedom Convoy"?

If so, the capital did perfectly fine breaking it up, they were just politically hamstrung. But otherwise, it took all of an afternoon and a couple horses to break up that nonsense.

Yes, agreed.

At this point I have seen many fantastical interpretations of what happened there. I assume popular US media coverage of it was a contributor there.

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Post by stackedinserter »

BigGreenJorts wrote: post #174
nick_ wrote: post #167

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Are you referring to the "Freedom Convoy"?

If so, the capital did perfectly fine breaking it up, they were just politically hamstrung. But otherwise, it took all of an afternoon and a couple horses to break up that nonsense.

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