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Re: I Want You to Understand Chicago

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Post by sgarland »

SlightlyLeftPad wrote: post #58
tedivm wrote: post #39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I live in Chicago, and this article doesn't even scratch the surface of how bad it is. My wife went to the beach yesterday for 10 minutes to try and rest from the chaos and a fucking black hawk helicopter buzzed by her. They literally fly over my house daily. People, US citizens included, are literally being abducted. People have been shot and killed by masked agents. People have had their children abandoned on the s…

The media has an existential threat of having their broadcast licenses revoked so yeah that probably has a lot to do with why there’s no coverage. If the media had balls, they’d broadcast anyway, license or not.

Let the FCC enforce the removal of a license, then. That seems to be the current administration’s approach to everything.

Re: I Want You to Understand Chicago

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Post by whoknowsidont »

msandford wrote: post #145
toomuchtodo wrote: post #53

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Tribalism, identity politics, low education and lack of respect for education and intellectualism, and late stage capitalism. A cautionary tale, for sure. People are angry, rightfully so, but at the wrong people. Thank Reagan (economics) and Gingrich (politics) for a lot of this we’re facing. Deepfriedchokes is right; we need stronger, more robust systems to protect humans from other humans, because we cannot trust t…

The Biden admin (no idea if Biden himself was involved) literally sued Texas to stop Texas from enforcing border law. This same admin also essentially redefined "asylum" to be economic asylum rather than "I'm afraid that if I go back to my country I'll be killed" which is how people typically thought of asylum. You can absolutely think that what's happening now is an overreaction, un-American, gross, illegal, and mor…

>If you just want to see the people who voted for this as "the enemy" and "evil" you're basically doing the same tribal "othering" that's lead to these outcomes you don't like.

"If you point out problems, you yourself are actually the problem. I am very rational."

Incredible logic.

Re: I Want You to Understand Chicago

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Post by don_neufeld »

celsoazevedo wrote: post #132
don_neufeld wrote: post #114

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Parent comment is talking about working “under the table”, receiving cash off the books for work done. Not government benefits.

I don't think "illegals" means "people receiving money under the table", especially in the context of this thread. It sounds like they're referring to people living illegally in the country. Hence my question about "illegals" receiving benefits when usually we need to have documents to receive any state/government benefit.

I was referring to the same people. The reason I said that is that employing someone who’s undocumented exposes the employer to enforcement risk, so many choose to keep the relationship hidden.

That’s how most undocumented people in the country survive: by working for employers who are breaking the law.

In terms of undocumented individuals benefits, that’s a common and almost entirely false claim.

While it is a complicated space (because of State vs Federal), the vast majority of “Illegals” are not eligible for the vast majority of benefits in the United States, with the exception of some emergency services.

There are some exceptions for victims of human trafficking and there like.

If you want to dig in: https://www.nilc.org/resources/overview-immeligfedprograms/

Re: I Want You to Understand Chicago

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Post by Judgmentality »

jrexilius wrote: post #195
pizlonator wrote: post #17

This is really sad to read! Can folks who live in Chicago confirm/deny/comment on the extent to which this article gets it right? (I have no reason to believe that it's an exaggeration, but I sincerely hope that it is.)

I live in Chicago and it is a BIG city. I've seen, in real life, none of this. But the online reports are legion. I think, like a lot of things, you can choose what reality you want to inhabit and find anecdata online to support any of it. During the Obama adminstration the right wing whackos came up with theories about black helicopters and UN camps and the rest. This may be _slightly_ more factual as the Orange Tro…

> you can choose what reality you want to inhabit

Thank you for outing yourself as willfully ignorant. I also appreciate the unintended admission of privilege.

Re: I Want You to Understand Chicago

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Post by whoknowsidont »

don_neufeld wrote: post #186
msandford wrote: post #145

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The Biden admin (no idea if Biden himself was involved) literally sued Texas to stop Texas from enforcing border law. This same admin also essentially redefined "asylum" to be economic asylum rather than "I'm afraid that if I go back to my country I'll be killed" which is how people typically thought of asylum. You can absolutely think that what's happening now is an overreaction, un-American, gross, illegal, and mor…

Which lawsuit are you referring to?

Probably this one: https://www.cnn.com/2024/01/03/politics/texas-immigration-la...

Re: I Want You to Understand Chicago

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Post by tedivm »

fluidcruft wrote: post #166
tedivm wrote: post #39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I live in Chicago, and this article doesn't even scratch the surface of how bad it is. My wife went to the beach yesterday for 10 minutes to try and rest from the chaos and a fucking black hawk helicopter buzzed by her. They literally fly over my house daily. People, US citizens included, are literally being abducted. People have been shot and killed by masked agents. People have had their children abandoned on the s…

RSNA is coming up later this month and generally I always attend but I'm probably just going to skip it. Just about nobody I know is going.

Before I moved to Chicago I used to go to RSNA for work. If I didn't live in Chicago already I wouldn't be traveling here.

Re: I Want You to Understand Chicago

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Post by fujigawa »

tptacek wrote: post #167
pizlonator wrote: post #17

This is really sad to read! Can folks who live in Chicago confirm/deny/comment on the extent to which this article gets it right? (I have no reason to believe that it's an exaggeration, but I sincerely hope that it is.)

I live in Oak Park, just outside Chicago (and adjacent to Broadview, where the major regional ICE detention center is). We have daily ICE sitings, and approximately every-other-day ICE detentions or arrests. It's a constant presence. What it means psychologically depends. If you're someone who could visually be mistaken (perhaps in bad faith) for a Latino, it's a very big problem. ICE/DHS routinely stops people based…

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Re: I Want You to Understand Chicago

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Post by underlipton »

tedivm wrote: post #39
pizlonator wrote: post #17

This is really sad to read! Can folks who live in Chicago confirm/deny/comment on the extent to which this article gets it right? (I have no reason to believe that it's an exaggeration, but I sincerely hope that it is.)

I live in Chicago, and this article doesn't even scratch the surface of how bad it is. My wife went to the beach yesterday for 10 minutes to try and rest from the chaos and a fucking black hawk helicopter buzzed by her. They literally fly over my house daily. People, US citizens included, are literally being abducted. People have been shot and killed by masked agents. People have had their children abandoned on the s…

>Visits from the ghetto birds

>Facing police brutality with no accountability

>Media blackout

We're not beating the, "Horrible things that happen to black and indigenous Americans will eventually happen to everyone else," rap.

Re: I Want You to Understand Chicago

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Post by don_neufeld »

itsoktocry wrote: post #66
celsoazevedo wrote: post #50

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm not from the US, so forgive me for what is probably a dumb question, but how is an illegal receiving money for food, rent, and healthcare? Don't you need documents (aka be legal in the country) for that?

In many instances, no. And that's where a lot of the anger and blow back stems from.

This is just factually false.

https://www.nilc.org/resources/overview-immeligfedprograms/

Re: I Want You to Understand Chicago

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Post by tptacek »

fujigawa wrote: post #207
tptacek wrote: post #167

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I live in Oak Park, just outside Chicago (and adjacent to Broadview, where the major regional ICE detention center is). We have daily ICE sitings, and approximately every-other-day ICE detentions or arrests. It's a constant presence. What it means psychologically depends. If you're someone who could visually be mistaken (perhaps in bad faith) for a Latino, it's a very big problem. ICE/DHS routinely stops people based…

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None of this has anything whatsoever to do with whether "Pedro" will be there to shovel their driveway. Nobody cares about that. We all live with 100% certainty that somebody will exchange dollars for snow shoveling. The reason you hear about landscapers right now is that ICE is directly targeting them. If you're ICE, looking to meet a detention quota from whatever quadrant Oak Park is in, the easiest way to do that is cruise down the street and stop anybody on a riding mower.
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