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I took all my projects off the cloud, saving thousands of dollars

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Re: I took all my projects off the cloud, saving thousands of dollars

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Post by fhd2 »

Sebb767 wrote: post #16

I dislike those black and white takes a lot. It's absolutely true that most startups that just run an EC2 instance will save a lot of cash going to Hetzner, Linode, Digital Ocean or whatever. I do host at Hetzner myself and so do a lot of my clients. That being said, the cloud does have a lot of advantages: - You're getting a lot of services readily available. Need offsite backups? A few clicks. Managed database? A f…

My pet peeves are:

1. For small stuff, AWS et al aren't that much more expensive than Hetzner, mostly in the same ballpark, maybe 2x in my experience.

2. What's easy to underestimate for _developers_ is that your self hosted setup is most likely harder to get third party support for. If you run software on AWS, you can hire someone familiar with AWS and as long as you're not doing anything too weird, they'll figure it out and modify it in no time.

I absolutely prefer self hosting on root servers, it has always been my go to approach for my own companies, big and small stuff. But for people that can't or don't want to mess with their infrastructure themselves, I do recommend the cloud route even with all the current anti hype.

Re: I took all my projects off the cloud, saving thousands of dollars

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Post by baq »

ngc248 wrote: post #188
Dylan16807 wrote: post #117

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Figuring out how to do db backups _can_ also be fairly time consuming. apt install automysqlbackup autopostgresqlbackup Though if you have proper filesystem snapshots then they should always see your database as consistent, right? So you can even skip database tools and just learn to make and download snapshots.

nah filesystem snapshots may not lead to consistent DB backups. DB backup software usually use a plugin to tell the DB to coalesce data before taking a snapshot.

At least one OS you’ve heard of can quiesce the file system to allow taking a consistent snapshot; I’d be surprised if this wasn’t widely available everywhere.

Re: I took all my projects off the cloud, saving thousands of dollars

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Post by arecsu »

fathermarz wrote: post #195

I’m fundamentally confused. A server in a datacenter is still the cloud. Taking something off the cloud means you have hardware somewhere that you physically manage and pay the power bill. This is simply collapsing the built for scale tools into a cacophony of open source tools. You didn’t need it to begin with, you just didn’t know any better.

Your response clearly shows that you didn't read the article. There's literally a section where it goes through your point.

Re: I took all my projects off the cloud, saving thousands of dollars

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Post by baq »

PantaloonFlames wrote: post #55
jaredhallen wrote: post #45

I'm fully aware this is pedantic, but you can't save 10x. You can pay 1/10. You can save 90%. Your previous costs could have been 10x your current costs. But 10x is more by definition, not less. You can't save it.

+1 words matter Clarity of expression is a superpower I don’t feel it’s pedantic at all.

Communication is a superpower. You say something and the other person understands.

Being pedantic about words means you think effective communication is somehow wrong. Be precise, don’t be pedantic.

Re: I took all my projects off the cloud, saving thousands of dollars

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Post by ascorbic »

beeflet wrote: post #48
ascorbic wrote: post #29

Cheap shot maybe, but the fact that the page takes 10 seconds to load when it hits the HN front page is a great, inadvertant illustration of why you might want to use the cloud sometimes.

The failure mode of self-hosting is that your site gets hugged to death, the failure mode of the cloud is that you lose a ton of money. For a blog that doesn't earn you anything, the choice is clear. Besides, you can just put it behind cloudflare for free.

Absolutely. And I never said that everybody should use the cloud. Contrary to OP, it's more complicated than that. Not every site has the same needs. Some sites need scaling. Some sites are fine with being hugged to death, others would lose millions of dollars if they were. Some people are happy to tinker with their nginx config and package upgrades etc, others prefer to deploy and forget it (with cost controls enabled).

Disclosure: I work for Cloudflare, but 25 years ago served my own site from an iBook under the stairs.

Re: I took all my projects off the cloud, saving thousands of dollars

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Post by LtWorf »

dragonwriter wrote: post #58
fennecbutt wrote: post #51

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Et al is for people, Et cetera is for things. Edit: although actually many people on here are American so I guess for you aws is legally a person...

> although actually many people on here are American so I guess for you aws is legally a person... Corporate legal personhood is actually older than Christianity, and it being applied to businesses (which were late to the game of being allowed to be corporations) is still significantly older than the US (starting with the British East India Company), not a unique quirk of American law.

Source of it being older than christianity?

Re: I took all my projects off the cloud, saving thousands of dollars

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Post by ascorbic »

0cf8612b2e1e wrote: post #186
jen729w wrote: post #152

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Happy Netlify customer here, same deal. $0. (LOL 'customer'. But the point is, when the day comes, I'll be happy to give them money.)

Careful what you wish for. Netlify sent a guy a $104k bill from the free plan. Thankfully social media outage saved the guy. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=39520776

Netlify changed their pricing after that so that free accounts are always free.

Re: I took all my projects off the cloud, saving thousands of dollars

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Post by imp0cat »

ffsm8 wrote: post #185
jaredhallen wrote: post #114

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Agree to disagree.

It's basically multiplication with fractions, just like you get 1/4 from 1/2 * 1/2, which is once again a multiplication that turns into division I agree that it's a suboptimal and click baity way to phrase it though...

Exactly, it's multiplication.

Example: He was saving $10 every month before the change. Then he switched and now he is saving 10 x $10, ie $100 every month.

But that's not the case here, right? And that's why the parent post is correct.

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