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Re: Grokipedia and the coup against reality

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Post by gadders »

cess11 wrote: post #196
gadders wrote: post #169

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No, there are many other political movements I also disagree with, for example the broader reactionary tendency, including conservatives and neo-liberal groups. Commonly I also disagree with people on ethical or religious grounds. For example I vehemently disagree with most protestants on the issue of capitalism which they consider compatible with the teachings of the biblical Jesus, and I while I agree with many cat…

What am I scared of? I'm concerned for your grip on reality if you think a free market think tank is a bunch of fascists. That's about as factual as me calling Obama a communist.

Re: Grokipedia and the coup against reality

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Post by jauntywundrkind »

gadders wrote: post #197
titaniumtown wrote: post #182

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"far left" "George Soros" Are you a bot? Or are you just trying to start internet arguments to inflate your own ego?

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It's just hilarious that there's one dude who is the lightning rod for right-wing hatred. Like, it's one dude! It's so unclear what he does that is so menacing to the right: there's seemingly a fact free desperation to have some big bad rich guy on the left's side doing so much.

Because the right has 99% of the big bad evil dudes. Manhattan Institute is one of dozens of identical (ok not every pit has a king cobra FedSoc Leonard Leo) billionaire funded pits of world burning vipers. The E1 Global Elite class aka the barbarians (https://alexdanco.com/2021/01/22/the-michael-scott-theory-of...) are not the richest people by being liberal or nice or progressive. They're where they are because they are right wing people who (in right wing style) don't give half a fig about anyone else or much besides their bottom line and power.

I find it so beyond pathetic that George Soros is parroted around as some incredible omni-present mastermind of the left. But the right's favorite tactic is projection, is the classic "Accuse your enemy of what you are doing, as you are doing it" "Paint one's self as being the defender of the very thing you are aiming to destroy." Neither of these has any respect for reality or facts: they are what the right radically embraces: flooding the zone with shit. Not respecting reality. Sowing confusion. It's just so pathetic that such a mild mannered decent dude as Soros is the best cope ya'll could come up with for a boogeyman: quaking in your boots, at this guy? For reals.

Re: Grokipedia and the coup against reality

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Post by verdverm »

ben_w wrote: post #124
verdverm wrote: post #27

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Much of Eastern Europe has seen rapid improvements since the fall of the Soviet Union. Moldova elected a pro-EU instead of sliding into alt-right territory. So to declare it (or anything) never fails is never going to be true. Looking to Russia as an example, what hasn't been failing? They went from being #2 to being a a pariah state

While I broadly agree with you, Russia is not a useful example for this point: the failures as a state to be a good place for normal people to live in are not the important failures, instead look specifically at the oligarchs within it and the power they wield, the money they've made.

Those oligarchs could have, and be, making a lot more money if they integrated with the global economy and participated as a good contributing member.

It's a failure of lost opportunity for the oligarchs too. Authoritarian regimes have a much lower upper-limit that holds everyone and everything back

Re: Grokipedia and the coup against reality

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Post by cindyllm »

jauntywundrkind wrote: post #202
gadders wrote: post #197

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It's just hilarious that there's one dude who is the lightning rod for right-wing hatred. Like, it's one dude! It's so unclear what he does that is so menacing to the right: there's seemingly a fact free desperation to have some big bad rich guy on the left's side doing so much. Because the right has 99% of the big bad evil dudes. Manhattan Institute is one of dozens of identical (ok not every pit has a king cobra Fe…

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Re: Grokipedia and the coup against reality

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Post by cess11 »

gadders wrote: post #201
cess11 wrote: post #196

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No, there are many other political movements I also disagree with, for example the broader reactionary tendency, including conservatives and neo-liberal groups. Commonly I also disagree with people on ethical or religious grounds. For example I vehemently disagree with most protestants on the issue of capitalism which they consider compatible with the teachings of the biblical Jesus, and I while I agree with many cat…

What am I scared of? I'm concerned for your grip on reality if you think a free market think tank is a bunch of fascists. That's about as factual as me calling Obama a communist.

Fascism is capitalism violently colonising its home turf, there is no conflict between a group calling itself a "free market think tank" and being part of a fascist movement or tendency.

Obama is quite pro-capitalism and hence much closer to fascism than any leftist position. As a politician he also invested heavily in and innovated deceitful application of violent force, mostly abroad, but kind of rolled out the carpet for it to turn explicitly fascist by 'boomeranging' back home.

I suspect insights like these frighten you, because they would force you to reevaluate your identities and place in society.

Re: Grokipedia and the coup against reality

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Post by gadders »

jauntywundrkind wrote: post #202
gadders wrote: post #197

Earlier quoted context omitted.

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It's just hilarious that there's one dude who is the lightning rod for right-wing hatred. Like, it's one dude! It's so unclear what he does that is so menacing to the right: there's seemingly a fact free desperation to have some big bad rich guy on the left's side doing so much. Because the right has 99% of the big bad evil dudes. Manhattan Institute is one of dozens of identical (ok not every pit has a king cobra Fe…

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Re: Grokipedia and the coup against reality

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Post by nailer »

ben_w wrote: post #192
nailer wrote: post #176

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Yes. Islamic violence is a significant issue in the UK.

Yaxley-Lennon has various convictions. Some of these including for libel against specific muslim children; some for contempt of court interfering with the fairness of trials thus risking the release of people who were ultimately convicted; and some where his libel lead to his supporters committing violence against muslims. (Keeping the [num]s in the quotations, those are the only citations that really matter). On 10…

> libel against specific muslim children

One child. Jamal Hijazi.

> Regarding his libel that harmed a child

The interview with the girl Jamal Hijazi hit in her spine with a hockey stick starts at 21:49, and is followed by discussions with staff at the school, a student he spat at, other staff discussing him knocking a kid out by throwing him against a wall, school records of him bringing a knife and screwdriver to school, photos of the other girl he hit from text messages with the girl’s mother, an interview with the head teacher of the time about Jamal Hijazi bullying other children, and more:

https://youtu.be/h0z7rVP2glk

I think it’s fairly likely that Bailey, the boy that tackled Jamal Hijazi for saying something in that video - allegedly Jamal Hijazi said he would rape Bailey’s 9 year old sister - was telling the truth.

> Musk is, in the UK, supporting a man who identifies as "Tommy Robinson"

Good. Why aren’t you?

Re: Grokipedia and the coup against reality

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Post by gadders »

cess11 wrote: post #205
gadders wrote: post #201

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What am I scared of? I'm concerned for your grip on reality if you think a free market think tank is a bunch of fascists. That's about as factual as me calling Obama a communist.

Fascism is capitalism violently colonising its home turf, there is no conflict between a group calling itself a "free market think tank" and being part of a fascist movement or tendency. Obama is quite pro-capitalism and hence much closer to fascism than any leftist position. As a politician he also invested heavily in and innovated deceitful application of violent force, mostly abroad, but kind of rolled out the car…

That's a pretty broad definition of Fascism you have there. By your reckoning Hitler and the Manhattan Institute are broadly equivalent.

Re: Grokipedia and the coup against reality

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Post by cess11 »

gadders wrote: post #208
cess11 wrote: post #205

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Fascism is capitalism violently colonising its home turf, there is no conflict between a group calling itself a "free market think tank" and being part of a fascist movement or tendency. Obama is quite pro-capitalism and hence much closer to fascism than any leftist position. As a politician he also invested heavily in and innovated deceitful application of violent force, mostly abroad, but kind of rolled out the car…

That's a pretty broad definition of Fascism you have there. By your reckoning Hitler and the Manhattan Institute are broadly equivalent.

Not really. What other political tendencies perform violent colonisation at home?

And, well, yeah, they have a lot of similarities. They both agree on things like 'Arbeit macht Frei', extremely violent punishment of petty crime and industrial futurism regarding e.g. unrestrained extractive energy exploitation and so on. It's harder to figure out but it seems to me that the Manhattan Institute agrees with Hitler on the jewish question, jews need to be removed from 'white' societies, but disagrees with immediate industrial extermination and rather opts for the more palatable solution of having them migrate to and serve a colony. I.e. the kind of Madagascar plan that mainstream zionism amounts to, though it targets Palestine instead of the island.

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