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One went in 1/4 mile from my home a couple years ago. I ignored the notices of development because I thought it was far enough that it wouldn't affect me, but it blocks the view of the mountains that I used to enjoy, and sometimes I can hear noise from its cooling system (I assume). I wish I'd known what was coming, and gone to the meetings to oppose it.
Hopefully we will emerge from this with a legislative framework that says "fuck your view"
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#202How would that even be possible?
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Tangential to the point, I think we should be careful about the almond talking point. Insofar as it is used for milk, almond milk uses almost half as much water as dairy milk, uses 1/18 the land and emits 1/5 the amount of carbon. As food, it is eaten in such a vanishingly small quantity compared to other water-hungry foods (meat) as to be insignificant. https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/environmental-footprint-m...
I think the almond talking point takes hold because, like a lot of complaining about LLM usage, large parts of the blame gets directed elsewhere rather than the choices that we're all way more likely to be making and could influence. Like, it's 2025. Even the people most likely to be drinking almond milk have largely moved to oat, whose water usage is great.
No one wants to be reminded that their 4 oz burger they had for lunch used 460 gallons of water to produce.
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#204I find it really odd this recent push for discussions around the development of new datacenters. There is a plan for constructing a new high-capacity datacenter [edit: near my city]. And a lot of discussions in the media are done through an emotional tone around water and electricity usage. The media generally frames it as if installing a new datacenter would put the neighbors in risk of not having water or electrici…
Let’s use a little logic. What are the “both sides” here? Megacorps with billions vs “local media”? Citizens? Yes, that’s a balanced equation. Now, do we have any evidence to back complaints? Lack of water, unclean water due to data centers: https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cy8gy7lv448o Data centers causing energy prices to increase: https://www.bloomberg.com/graphics/2025-ai-data-centers-elec... Data center natural…
I think your article about 'Lack of water, unclean water due to data centers' is a good example of bad faith arguments. It start the article talking about someone that lost access to their private well after a datacenter was constructed. This article don't do it, but I've se people go from arguments like this (a specific water-related disruption) to 'thousands of residencies will loose access to water'.
What strikes me as odd is the fact that datacenters aren't all that special when compared to other infrastructure projects(roads, warehouses, hospitals, power plants, garbage disposal, water dams, ...) but the way we are discussing it seems unique. For every other infrastructure project the discussion seems to be 'how do we make sure that X, Y and Z won't be a problem for the society?'. But when it comes to datacenters it becomes 'datacenters are bad and we should not build them', which seems bad way to approach this issue.
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I wonder if cow milk products would be more expensive if people ate less beef. Presumably, after a cow is done being used for milk, it can then be sold for meat.
Dairy cows don’t taste good. They’re used for the bottom of the barrel low grade ground meat. Think dog food.
Dairy cows from commercial confinement dairies are a different matter. They eat almost exclusively grain and develop horrible health problems.
Yet the same can be said of any meat produced in a CAFO, when compared to that produced on most small farms. Garbage in, garbage out.
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"Factory-farmed beef" doesn't even exist. All cows get raised in fields for their first 12-18 months. The ""factory-farming"" is just a feed lot they get taken to for 3-6 months to eat grain before slaughter. If you want to talk about pigs or chickens, that's an entirely different story. Those do get raised full life cycle in factory-like industrial facilities. But those aren't cows.
You're going to have to cite strong sources or else this is either heavy cope or straight-up denial. It is inconceivable that American's consume as much beef as they do, yet production has been able to scale without resorting to factory-farming. Every other commodity food is factory farmed. It's asinine to think beef is immune to that.
What's really asinine is that you have such strong opinions about a subject you know nothing about and demand that other people do research for you.
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To put this in context, it takes about 1 gallon of water per 1g of almond [1]. And in California's dry climate, this water comes from groundwater that doesn't renew as fast as it's depleted. So the next time someone chastises you for your non-low flow showerhead that uses more than 2 almonds of water per minute, remember to put the numbers in context. 1. Numbers from a pro-almond group: https://www.almonds.org/why-al…
Almonds alone are like half of all urban water use in california.
The level of subsidy the relatively unimportant crops get with their basically free water is astounding, especially considering the high urban prices of water