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Re: Armed police swarm student after AI mistakes bag of Doritos for a weapon

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Post by cindyllm »

SoftTalker wrote: post #188
lelandfe wrote: post #182

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I was swatted once. Girlfriend's house. Someone called 911 and said they'd seen me kill a neighbor, drag their body into the house, and was now holding my gf's family hostage. We answered the screams at the door to guns pointed at our faces, and countless cops. It was explained to us that this was the restrained version. We got a knock. Unfortunately, I understand why these responses can't be neutered too much. You j…

Do the cops not ever get tired of being fooled like this? Or do they just enjoy the chance to go out in their army-surplus armored cars and pretend to be special forces?

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Re: Armed police swarm student after AI mistakes bag of Doritos for a weapon

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Post by sebastiennight »

malux85 wrote: post #28

Poor kid, and what an incompetent police department not to use their own judgement …… But …… Doritos should definitely use this as an advertisement, Doritos - The only weapon of mass deliciousness, or something like that And of course pay the kid, so something positive came come out of the experience for him

The snack you'll only SWAT from my cold dead hands

Re: Armed police swarm student after AI mistakes bag of Doritos for a weapon

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Post by reaperducer »

omnipresent12 wrote: post #101
neilv wrote: post #91

> Omnilert later admitted the incident was a “false positive” but claimed the system “functioned as intended,” saying its purpose is to “prioritize safety and awareness through rapid human verification.” It just created a situation in which a bunch of people with guns were told that some teen had a gun. That's a very unsafe situation that the system created, out of nothing. And some teen may be traumatized. Again, un…

https://www2.ljworld.com/news/schools/2025/aug/07/lawrence-s... Another false positive by one of these leading content filters schools use - the kid said something stupid in a group chat and an AI reported it to the school, and the school contacted the police. The kid was arrested, stripped searched, and held for 24 hours without access to their parents or counsel. They ultimately had to spend time in probation, a fu…

The kid was arrested, stripped searched, and held for 24 hours without access to their parents or counsel. They ultimately had to spend time in probation, a full mental health evaluation, and go to an alternative school for a period of time.

All he wanted was a Pepsi. Just one Pepsi. And they wouldn't give it to him.

Re: Armed police swarm student after AI mistakes bag of Doritos for a weapon

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Post by scrps »

SoftTalker wrote: post #188
lelandfe wrote: post #182

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I was swatted once. Girlfriend's house. Someone called 911 and said they'd seen me kill a neighbor, drag their body into the house, and was now holding my gf's family hostage. We answered the screams at the door to guns pointed at our faces, and countless cops. It was explained to us that this was the restrained version. We got a knock. Unfortunately, I understand why these responses can't be neutered too much. You j…

Do the cops not ever get tired of being fooled like this? Or do they just enjoy the chance to go out in their army-surplus armored cars and pretend to be special forces?

I had convos with cops about swatting, the good ones aren't happy to go kick down someone's door who isn't about to harm someone but feel they can't chance making a fatally wrong call when it isn't swatting, also they have procedures to follow and if they don't the outcome is on them personally and potentially legally.

As for bad cops they look for any reason to go act like aggro billy badasses.

Re: Armed police swarm student after AI mistakes bag of Doritos for a weapon

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Post by krapp »

bilbo0s wrote: post #100
neilv wrote: post #91

> Omnilert later admitted the incident was a “false positive” but claimed the system “functioned as intended,” saying its purpose is to “prioritize safety and awareness through rapid human verification.” It just created a situation in which a bunch of people with guns were told that some teen had a gun. That's a very unsafe situation that the system created, out of nothing. And some teen may be traumatized. Again, un…

>And some teen may be traumatized. Um. That's not really the danger here. The danger is that it's as clear as day that in the future someone is gonna be killed. That's not just a possibility. It's a certainty given the way the system is set up. This tech is not supposed to be used in this fashion. It's not ready.

Americans are killed by police all the time, and by other Americans. We've already decided as a society that we don't care enough to take the problem seriously. Gun violence, both public and from the state, is accepted as unavoidable and defended as a necessary price to pay to live in a free society[0]. Having a computer call the shots wouldn't actually make much of a difference.

Hell, it wouldn't even move the needle on racial bias much because LLMs have already shown themselves to be prejudiced against minorities due to the stereotypes in their training data.

[0]Even though no other free society has to pay that price but whatever.

Re: Armed police swarm student after AI mistakes bag of Doritos for a weapon

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Post by wlesieutre »

Zigurd wrote: post #146
wat10000 wrote: post #115

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I fully agree, but we also really need to get to a place where drawing the attention of police isn't an axiomatically life-threatening situation.

If the US wasn't psychotic, not all police would have to be armed, and not every police response would be an armed response.

Even if not all police were armed, the response to "AI said someone has a gun" would always be the armed police

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Post by xbar »

tartoran wrote: post #88

"“We understand how upsetting this was for the individual that was searched as well as the other students who witnessed the incident,” the principal wrote. “Our counselors will provide direct support to the students who were involved.”" Make them pay money for false positives instead of direct support and counselling. This technology is not ready for production, it should be in a lab not in public buildings such as s…

Charge the superintendent with swatting.

Decision-maker accountability is the only thing that halts bad decision-making.

Re: Armed police swarm student after AI mistakes bag of Doritos for a weapon

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Post by axus »

crazygringo wrote: post #179

It sounds like the police mistook it as well: > “They showed me the picture, said that looks like a gun, I said, ‘no, it’s chips.’” So AI did the initial detection, but police looked at it and agreed. We don't see the image, but it probably did look like a gun because of a weird shadow or something. Fundamentally, this isn't really any different from a person seeing someone with what looks like a gun and calling the…

Computer says it looks like a gun.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Computer_says_no

Re: Armed police swarm student after AI mistakes bag of Doritos for a weapon

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Post by giardini »

wat10000 wrote: post #185
spankibalt wrote: post #150

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> "On the other hand, if you call in the cops and there wasn't a gun, you're fine." Yeah, cause cops have never shot somebody unarmed. And you can bet your ass that the possible follow-up lawsuit to such a debacle's got "your" name on it.

Good luck suing somebody for calling the police.

In Texas filing a false report is a crime and can result in fines and/or imprisonment. Details:

https://legalclarity.org/false-report-under-the-texas-penal-...

Furthermore, anyone who files a false report can be sued in civil court.

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