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This article isn't written for you. It's written for my mom, etc.
Does your mother frequent hackernews?
This article was written for The Guardian, not Hacker News.
AWS outage shows internet users 'at mercy' of too few providers, experts say
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It's unclear what you're arguing. The leading experts (Fauci/CDC) who most Americans were paying attention to were not providing this shading of meaning which you are trying to impute to them. That would be the case if they said something like N95 masks will provide excellent protection for you from the virus if worn correctly, but we have a shortage, so please make do with alternatives so that health care workers ha…
This information was and is widely available. Your earlier statement was entirely framed in self-interest, so you don’t get to complain about being pulled up on that now.
The self-interest of wanting to be told the truth? Uh, yeah.
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This information was and is widely available. Your earlier statement was entirely framed in self-interest, so you don’t get to complain about being pulled up on that now.
The self-interest of wanting to be told the truth? Uh, yeah.
Sounds more like you chose to ignore it. My family was wearing medical-grade disposable facemasks and socially distancing from February 2020 on the basis of healthcare advice.
Hunting for a bogeyman in retrospect is the bad-faith narrative of the mediocre culture warrior. Good luck with your undifferentiated rage or whatever.
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The self-interest of wanting to be told the truth? Uh, yeah.
Sounds more like you chose to ignore it. My family was wearing medical-grade disposable facemasks and socially distancing from February 2020 on the basis of healthcare advice. Hunting for a bogeyman in retrospect is the bad-faith narrative of the mediocre culture warrior. Good luck with your undifferentiated rage or whatever.
Good for you. Nonetheless a non sequitur in this discussion.
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#205Earlier quoted context omitted.
Sounds more like you chose to ignore it. My family was wearing medical-grade disposable facemasks and socially distancing from February 2020 on the basis of healthcare advice. Hunting for a bogeyman in retrospect is the bad-faith narrative of the mediocre culture warrior. Good luck with your undifferentiated rage or whatever.
Good for you. Nonetheless a non sequitur in this discussion.
That’s certainly true. Face masks are not relevant to AWS outages.
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Which is precisely why it's not done
I don't think storage cost is the reason, more that it's hard to design for regional failures. DB by itself as one example, cross region read replica usually introduces eventual consistency to a system that'd otherwise be immediately consistent.
Well yeah, but that's why we get paid the big bucks right?
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Most companies I've worked for (and have heard about from others) have either lacked the knowledge, or the will, to evaluate risk. They build things until they "just work", and their thought process ends there. They don't examine the design to identify its reliability and security risks. They don't calculate the losses. They still have issues, but they just happen to be acceptable most of the time. Example1: A compan…
This outage would've required cross region failover to be immune to. We'll see if customers switch to whatever company was resilient, but this has happened before and the answer was no.
The company I work for has a ton of stuff in us-east-1, many large products and sites, and we didn't go down. Our products/services aren't multi-region or multi-cloud. We don't pay exorbitant bills or have super complicated architectures.
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#208Can someone educate me on the solution to this? I assume most organizations, both small and large, just host on whatever provider they know or that costs them the least. If you have budget maybe you deploy to multiple providers for redundancy? But that increases cost and complexity. Who’s going to bother with colo given the cost / complexity? Who’s going to run a server from their office given ISP restrictions and do…
> I assume most organizations, both small and large, just host on whatever provider they know or that costs them the least
I don't think there is a "most" organizations. Either they're looking for big cloud or they're not, and least-cost is usually the last consideration when looking at any cloud, because you're trying to pay a premium to get particular advantages.
The realistic antidote? Move to a less-shitty region. Or architect your systems to be failure-resilient.
(Most people seem to think the entire region was offline? That's wrong. It was just particular services which wouldn't process control plane requests, and then a failure cascade caused more problems. But things that were already started running before, stayed running. A region is multiple datacenters. Even AZs are often multiple datacenters. It's virtually impossible for a whole region to stop working.)
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#209This is not a provider scarcity problem - there are numerous providers out there, but user's problem - they voluntarily choose crappy service at large scale, believing sales managers "it's reliable".
It is reliable. Even considering the inflated availability numbers, it's stupidly reliable.