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Re: Tennessee man arrested, accused of threatening a shooting, after posting meme

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Post by estearum »

nailer wrote: post #194
tastyface wrote: post #158

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This is how Charlie Kirk got on my radar: "Mere weeks before his death, Kirk reveled in Trump's deployment of federal troops to DC. 'Shock and awe. Force,' he wrote. 'We're taking our country back from these cockroaches.'" Cockroaches! Literally language of the Rwandan genocide. And it's a Christian saying this about other human beings? The man never changed. (Obviously, he should not have been shot. But his sanctifi…

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Yes it is very bad to call your countrymen "cockroaches" even if they're criminals and you really don't like them. It's especially bad to do so atop a gargantuan media organization that looks to you for moral and political guidance.

Re: Tennessee man arrested, accused of threatening a shooting, after posting meme

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Post by estearum »

blockmarker wrote: post #91
yibg wrote: post #49

Amazingly even this post is a reflection of the discourse around Kirk. There are replies equating any criticism of Kirk to celebrating his death and glossing over his past nasty behavior. All seems to detached from reality.

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Not only are such comments generally not support for murder, but I'll let you in on a little known fact:

In the US Constitution there's a thing called the First Amendment.

It actually protects your right to say that you support murder. Either a real historical one or a hypothetical future one.

The more you know!

Re: Tennessee man arrested, accused of threatening a shooting, after posting meme

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Post by tavavex »

canucker2016 wrote: post #136
beloch wrote: post #95

People outside the U.S. should care about this because so much social media is based in the U.S.. i.e. If you post an anti-MAGA meme to Facebook or reddit from an identifiable account you could be charged as this man was. Perhaps the U.S. will try to extradite you. (I would hope most nations have sensible checks and balances to prevent extradition over this sort of thing, but it would still be a PITA.) However, the U…

People outside the US can be in tons of trouble already for social media postings. UK and Germany come to mind where the police/law will go after people for what they post. That's just for developed countries. Consequences are worse in developing countries.

Which developing countries? I thought that many of those countries were either tied up with 'real', physical crime or just wouldn't care about internet stuff all that much. Lots of sketchy websites (like lots of piracy-related stuff) are hosted in countries where legal consequences are unlikely, even if it's illegal on paper. I can see how the more authoritarian countries can be going after social media posts based on grudges, but I'm wondering about which ones actively practice it - I don't know much about it.

Re: Tennessee man arrested, accused of threatening a shooting, after posting meme

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Post by mindslight »

Bratmon wrote: post #100
mindslight wrote: post #50

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There's nothing "conservative" about the fascist movement. It's regressive / reactionary (to use Yarvin's own label).

This is a distinction without a difference. "Regressive", "reactionary", and "conservative" are three words that refer to the exact same people and mean the exact same thing.

No, the words mean different things. When used to refer to a group, those meanings confer connotations. The point is that we need to stop referring to people destroying our society as "conservative".

Re: Tennessee man arrested, accused of threatening a shooting, after posting meme

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Post by tavavex »

yibg wrote: post #49

Amazingly even this post is a reflection of the discourse around Kirk. There are replies equating any criticism of Kirk to celebrating his death and glossing over his past nasty behavior. All seems to detached from reality.

This entire story is a culmination of this effect. If 'celebrating someone's death' was a crime in the US, there's no doubt they would've used that to accuse that man. But since that's not actually illegal, they had to bend it out of shape until his milquetoast barely-criticism could somehow be interpreted as an active threat against some random high school. It would be funny if this wasn't completely acceptable behavior now.

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Post by dghlsakjg »

tremon wrote: post #197
JumpCrisscross wrote: post #175

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> Those settlements need to come out of police retirement funds, to better align interests If the sheriff, DA and judge each thought this was a good idea, it's fair for the voters who hired them to take the hit.

Are sheriff, DA and judge directly electable positions then? I thought they were appointed by the Council or Senate (no, I don't live in the US nor do I have any desire to).

In some places in the states, yes, all three can be elected.

Typically the sheriff is always elected, the DA almost always elected, and for the judges it depends, but if they aren’t elected they are appointed by elected officials.

The other thing to remember is that the US judicial system varies tremendously by state. No two states are the same so there is no easy way to summarize it.

Re: Tennessee man arrested, accused of threatening a shooting, after posting meme

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Post by nailer »

fzeroracer wrote: post #154
nailer wrote: post #104

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Yes, Dang has been manually unflagging stories recently so HN has become a very different place in the last half year or so.

HN has always had a trend of political posts. The James Damore story here got massive over claims of his freedom of speech being violated. The 'Twitter Files' which was a whole lot of nothing also blew up. Dang can't really win here as someone else mentioned because we're in unprecedented times. Tech CEOs are going full mask off, like how the Salesforce CEO is asking for the government to send in troops to SF [1] or…

Downtown SF has been bad since Covid, as anyone that’s been there before and after can attest. Salesforce has a building in downtown SF. Wanting to have it be something close to pre 2020 levels of crime is very much precedented.

Re: Tennessee man arrested, accused of threatening a shooting, after posting meme

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Post by nailer »

estearum wrote: post #201
nailer wrote: post #194

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Yes it is very bad to call your countrymen "cockroaches" even if they're criminals and you really don't like them. It's especially bad to do so atop a gargantuan media organization that looks to you for moral and political guidance.

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Re: Tennessee man arrested, accused of threatening a shooting, after posting meme

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Post by estearum »

nailer wrote: post #208
estearum wrote: post #201

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Yes it is very bad to call your countrymen "cockroaches" even if they're criminals and you really don't like them. It's especially bad to do so atop a gargantuan media organization that looks to you for moral and political guidance.

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We use names for things to categorize them. We categorize things to inform how to treat them.

I think we should treat criminals differently from how we treat cockroaches, so we should use different names for them.

There's only one functional reason to refer to humans as cockroaches which is to dehumanize them. Dehumanizing humans is bad.

Re: Tennessee man arrested, accused of threatening a shooting, after posting meme

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Post by tavavex »

ithkuil wrote: post #176
WickyNilliams wrote: post #166

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Not an American so I don't have a horse in the race. Didnt Kirk also describe Biden as a "tyrant" and that he should be given the death penalty [0]. Calling for the (then sitting) president to be put to death seems pretty extreme to me. [0] https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/charlie-kirk-biden-death-p...

Those who think that criticizing Kirk is always calling for this death, would this comment above also be considered violent? Or is this comment also unacceptable? Where is the demarcation?

The demarcation is that my side celebrating someone's death is reasonable, level-headed criticism that reflects the will of the people and how dire the situation is - you've just gotta consider what we're saying and think that both sides have valid points. On the other hand, your side not showing Kim Jong Il funeral levels of grieving towards my figurehead is extremist violent rhetoric that has no place anywhere in our society, it has to be punished; the deranged, crazed, murder-hungry perpetrators must be suppressed and removed before they kill someone. The demarcation is that I'm stronger than you. Rules and logical consistency don't matter when you have power.

I only tried to be mildly cynical here, because I actually can't come up with any other justifications here. I don't think there's anything non-inflammatory that can justify this outside of ideological reasons. If anything can think of any, let me know.

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