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Is there any evidence that those are any healthier? If I'm going to overeat the same amount of calories eating store-bought cookies or grandma-made cookies - is my health outcome any different?
Absolutely. calories dont tell you much.
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Pretty sure it is NOT the definition of that law, but my own definition is: You make a meal only of basic ingredients. A basic ingredient is something that does not have an ingredient list on its packaging. I.e. Fruit, vegetables, eggs, meat and fish does not come with an ingredient list. There are some exceptions like dairy products (butter, yoghurt, cheese) which are okay to use.
nestle downvoted you
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> Biscuits and crisps are generally considered to be ultra processed foods, despite containing only basic ingredients Depends on if they’re ultra processed or not. If they won’t stale for weeks, they’re ultra processed with preservatives and/or solvents. If they go stale and have a simple ingredients list, they probably aren’t. (And kids don’t need to be habituated to having either with every lunch.)
Salt is a preservative, vinegar is a solvent. Individually or combined they can prevent spoilage indefinitely. So no, it’s a lot more arbitrary than that.
Sure. But they’re commonly in kitchens and simply produced, making their status as Group 1 and 2 Nova foods unambiguous.
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This seems like a fancy way of saying “it’s a cheap approach to make animal feed taste better, so the animals eat more and thus gain more weight/produce more milk/etc”. What impact would pouring a bunch of refined sugar on animal feed have on feed conversion efficiency? What do studies on humans say on the actual real-life effects of people using artificial sweeteners instead of sugar? If you permit me to be a bit gl…
> “it’s a cheap approach to make animal feed taste better, so the animals eat more and thus gain more weight/produce more milk/etc”. No, not at all. Feed conversion efficiency is the body weight gained per unit of feed consumed. If you add artificial sweeteners to animal feed, they will gain more weight when consuming the same feed, or gain the same weight when consuming less feed. This leads to cost savings for the…
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One thing that is not in doubt is that many UPFs are hyper-palatable. It’s much harder to overeat if the food in question is potatoes, carrots, and fish than if the meal is Pringles, Ice cream, and deep fried fish sticks.
But what if it is lays potato chips? Potatoes fried in oil and then salted. None of the potato scrap mashing and molding that pringles have. There is a connection between ultra processing and hyper-palatability, but it is a very lossy one. Doritos are ultra processed but no honest definition of ultra processed foods can include Fritos. Are Doritos substantially worse for you than Fritos? Is ice cream ultra processed?…
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Diet is part of the problem but a big part of the issue is the inherent sedentary lifestyle associated with American infrastructure and suburban development. If you design tons of housing in a way that encourages people to utilize cars as much as possible, invest as little as possible into infrastructure like public sidewalks and bike lanes, etc then don’t be shocked when your populace becomes fat and lazy, especiall…
most of the sedentary lifestyle of the US is intentionally done, as a silently understood truth, to avoid violent crime without getting caught by title vii lawsuits the only places that dont need to build suburbs with 10 mile buffer zones from other people are cities like SF and NY that exclude people via rent prices or other place like alaska, obvious reasons i have had (white) frends visit LA/hollywood and get arre…
this is nonsense
Low income people prefer processed foods over no foods.
But when it comes to school lunches specifically, they're getting those for free in many (most? all?) states if they're low income. So these changes should benefit them (even if the kids would prefer coke and fries).
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But what if it is lays potato chips? Potatoes fried in oil and then salted. None of the potato scrap mashing and molding that pringles have. There is a connection between ultra processing and hyper-palatability, but it is a very lossy one. Doritos are ultra processed but no honest definition of ultra processed foods can include Fritos. Are Doritos substantially worse for you than Fritos? Is ice cream ultra processed?…
Fritos are highly refined, industrially manufactured, and have plenty of processed additives. I think they are plainly ultra processed
The ingredients in Fritos are corn, oil, and salt. What processed additives? Is extruding cornmeal mixed with water through a die ultra processing?
Our school offers free lunch to all, but we pack our kids' lunches, with almost entirely minimally processed foods (fresh veggies, fruits, fresh bread [not Bimbo garbage], cheese [not sliced Kraft, also garbage], natural peanut butter and fruit preserves (not jam/jelly, also garbage), eggs, bean burritos (which we make ourselves), etc.
But it's discouraging how expensive and time consuming it is in today's world just to try to keep our kids healthy. We're not wealthy by any means, but this is what we prioritize in our spending. We could probably cut our monthly food bill in half by buying garbage food from Walmart (but then we'd end up paying more in health care costs).
There’s an excellent discussion of the most recent RCT on UPF foods with its author here ( https://sigmanutrition.com/episode577/ ). Not only is the study itself very interesting, but it does a great job going over the evidence landscape on UPFs and food at the current point in time. Dr Dicken is very clear that at the moment, in his view, they have insufficient evidence to make policy decisions like this, a view tha…
Be aware that the science on this is evolving pretty quickly. A study came out recently that showed when folks ate a designed diet, one with and one without UPFs, they found the UPF diets resulted in a few additional lbs of weight gain. The study accounted for a ton of variables. It showed that UPF calories lead to weight gain when consuming the same number of unprocessed calories. https://www.cell.com/cell-metabolis…
Do these look like 1:1 substitutions where the only controlled variable is processing?