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Re: ICE bought vehicles equipped with fake cell towers to spy on phones

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Post by N70Phone »

cosmicgadget wrote: post #167
N70Phone wrote: post #85

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> as a general rule To rudely open a dictionary: "As a general rule" - phrase of general - in most cases. Agents of the state are supposed to be acting within the law IN ALL CASES . The SS & SA were operating entirely within the law, if you ignore the times where they weren't.

Did it seem from how I employed the term "as a general rule" that I didn't understand its meaning?

It seemed quite the opposite. That you knew exactly what you were saying, but using weasel words to imply ICE was acting above board without stating any falsehoods that might be challenged.

The rhetorical trick of my reply being that it forces you to either address to the meat of the subject, or leave the statement uncontested.

But congratulations, conceding the argument rather than ousting yourself as a fascist was the better choice.

Re: ICE bought vehicles equipped with fake cell towers to spy on phones

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Post by Bender »

jeroenhd wrote: post #99
NoiseBert69 wrote: post #6

Why aren't they using the official lawful interception interfaces? They will get all the data. Not only voice, data and SMS/RCS. All modern smartphones (like Pixels) allow you to switch off 2G. They even warn if you want to activate it.

Lawful interception requires things like paperwork, warrants, probably cause, and some kind of reason why you need to tap cellular comms in the first place. If you're operating a deportation agency in the style of roaming gangs of officers, you're probably not going to want to wait for the courts to dismiss your brute-force attempts to find illegals behind every door you break down. The anti-2G security measure is pr…

Lawful interception requires things like paperwork, warrants, probably cause

Technically yes but there are back-room agreements to bypass this. I used to have warrants on my desk to set up call tracing in the 90's and eventually I was told to not require them any more and just leave test system and modems enabled logging disabled so agents could set up their own call tracing. The people I worked for had no skin in the game as they were all from the EU. I would be very surprised if this was no longer a thing. If anything I would expect it to be much simpler and more stream-lined by now, probably some HTTPS API end-point and some app on their phone.

In fairness to the agents some things are time sensitive like kidnappings / abductions. Provided logging is not disabled I think it is fine they have real time access if someone actually audits the logs and matches them up to incidents much like license plate queries by cops are supposed to be audited.

Re: ICE bought vehicles equipped with fake cell towers to spy on phones

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Post by thunderfork »

Nervhq wrote: post #192
intermerda wrote: post #163

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Trump's bill allocated 170 billion dollars to ICE. That figure is greater than annual defense spending of every country in the world other than US and China. I believe it's spread over four years, so amortized over that time period it would have more budget than all but 12 countries in the world.

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"immigrate legally" is to ICE as "just don't do anything illegal" is to Chat Control, etc.

Those who give up liberty for security...

Re: ICE bought vehicles equipped with fake cell towers to spy on phones

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Post by chneu »

intermerda wrote: post #163
msie wrote: post #97

I hear ICE's budget has grown to an absurd amount and they can operate through the shutdown.

Trump's bill allocated 170 billion dollars to ICE. That figure is greater than annual defense spending of every country in the world other than US and China. I believe it's spread over four years, so amortized over that time period it would have more budget than all but 12 countries in the world.

To put into perspective of how insanely huge this is, Trump is about to bail out US Farmers who have been hit by Trump's trade wars. How much? $10 billion.

That means trump is spending 17x the farm bailout on ICE. That's insanity.

That $10 bil is coming out of our pockets.

Re: ICE bought vehicles equipped with fake cell towers to spy on phones

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Post by chneu »

Nervhq wrote: post #192
intermerda wrote: post #163

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Trump's bill allocated 170 billion dollars to ICE. That figure is greater than annual defense spending of every country in the world other than US and China. I believe it's spread over four years, so amortized over that time period it would have more budget than all but 12 countries in the world.

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Reminder that thousands of legal residents are also being swept up in this. Thats a feature, though, not a bug, for a dictator.

Also ICE, I hear nervhq is here illegally. Someone wanna go do a check on this illegal? Assume they're breaking the law first, deport them and ask questions later. Thanks ICE!

It's only a matter of time before ICE comes for you. You realize there are literal quotes from Germans saying they wish they would have spoken up earlier? But they didn't because they weren't a Jew. We're repeating such stupid mistakes because Trump and the GOP have made politics a sport/brand loyalty competition. It's pathetic

Re: ICE bought vehicles equipped with fake cell towers to spy on phones

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Post by lupusreal »

chneu wrote: post #204
intermerda wrote: post #163

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Trump's bill allocated 170 billion dollars to ICE. That figure is greater than annual defense spending of every country in the world other than US and China. I believe it's spread over four years, so amortized over that time period it would have more budget than all but 12 countries in the world.

To put into perspective of how insanely huge this is, Trump is about to bail out US Farmers who have been hit by Trump's trade wars. How much? $10 billion. That means trump is spending 17x the farm bailout on ICE. That's insanity. That $10 bil is coming out of our pockets.

Insanity is a politician actually doing what he said he'd do, and was elected to do.

Re: ICE bought vehicles equipped with fake cell towers to spy on phones

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Post by computerthings »

lupusreal wrote: post #206
chneu wrote: post #204

Earlier quoted context omitted.

To put into perspective of how insanely huge this is, Trump is about to bail out US Farmers who have been hit by Trump's trade wars. How much? $10 billion. That means trump is spending 17x the farm bailout on ICE. That's insanity. That $10 bil is coming out of our pockets.

Insanity is a politician actually doing what he said he'd do, and was elected to do.

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Post by apparent »

mmustapic wrote: post #179
apparent wrote: post #169

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Can you share links to this? Sounds awful. I have not heard of any children sleeping in beds being arrested by ICE, which would obviously be inappropriate/illegal.

https://chicago.suntimes.com/immigration/2025/10/01/massive-...

Sorry, I don't see anything about citizens being arrested here. Is there any news coverage supporting the above claim that citizens are being arrested without cause (that is, not just for interfering with ICE?

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Post by hnuser123456 »

esalman wrote: post #171
godelski wrote: post #106

If you're running an Android phone open settings > Network & Internet > Internet > click on your network (e.g. Google Fi) > turn on 2G network protection (at the bottom). Alternatively: Security & privacy > Advanced Protection > Device protection. That does other stuff too though I'm not aware of a way to do this on iPhones... I'm not an expert, but my understanding is that many of these attacks work by performing 2G…

It looks like there's no such option on T-Mobile network settings. I'm on an OnePlus 12R and vanilla Oxygen OS.

Not tmobile's fault, oxygenos' fault.

Re: ICE bought vehicles equipped with fake cell towers to spy on phones

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Post by hnuser123456 »

jeroenhd wrote: post #181
toast0 wrote: post #174

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> The anti-2G security measure is pretty much exclusive to a few high-end phones as far as I can tell. I've got it on my phone which I think is mid-market at best: moto g stylus 5g - 2023. Snapdragon 6 Gen 1. ~ $250 in 2023.

That's great to hear. Last time I looked around in the cheaper segment, very few phones seemed to come with the feature.

It's part of newer versions of stock android.
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