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Post by nickpp »

contrarian1234 wrote: post #189
attentive wrote: post #183

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Best way to find yourself in war is not prepare for one. As shown time and again. Also, persuading your enemies not to prepare for war is a part of the war effort. > so anachronistic tell that to ruzzia

> As shown time and again what a load of warmongering bs.. I literally can't think of a single example. Korea, Vietnam, France, Britain, Japan, Germany every country involved in a war in the past ~100 years had prepared for it. Maybe maybe Iraq under Saddam Hussein didn't properly prepare? Though they were highly militarized. On the contrary, the more you prepare and get people frothing at the mouth the more likely i…

So what do you propose we do when China attacks? Capitulate?!

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Post by lbreakjai »

le-mark wrote: post #166
neom wrote: post #69

In case you're curious about the driver: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marc_Basseng

Is it common for race car drivers to start in kart racing?

At the higher level, pretty much all of them did. They've usually been racing since they were four or five.

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Post by Veedrac »

Gareth321 wrote: post #159
Veedrac wrote: post #54

It's wild that after a hundred years there is still exponential progress in the power output of cars. The most unusual part to me is how EVs are fundamentally a consumer technology, so it all rapidly falls into mass production territory; eg. Xiaomi sells a 1527hp car for $73k. Horsepower is rapidly reaching 'solved' territory; even at its record speed, BYD's car wasn't even power limited.

> It's wild that after a hundred years there is still exponential progress in the power output of cars. We hit a wall there for a while. Cars were actually becoming less powerful and slower on average for a couple of decades as governments tightened emissions and safety requirements. It took Tesla to blow the walls off EV production and consumer acceptance. It's a good reminder that progress doesn't happen in a strai…

I was thinking more wrt. the top end, which did stall out for 30 years from WWII but has otherwise been on fairly smooth exponentials since the beginning.

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Post by alecco »

gkanai wrote: post #112
ryandrake wrote: post #82

Ever since I rode in a BYD in China I've thought it would be great to be able to get one in the USA. It just really felt complete, put together and polished in a way that I haven't seen in a "normie" U.S. car in a long time. Too bad our country uses high tariffs and regulatory barriers to protect its dinosaur companies.

> it would be great to be able to get one in the USA. Allowing in Chinese EVs into markets where there are important domestic auto manufacturers will be very bad for those domestic manufacturers. (US, Germany, France, S.Korea, Japan, etc.) Outside of Tesla, none have EV brands competitive with the Chinese firms and if customers in those non China markets migrate to Chinese brands en masse, it would be tremendous disr…

Sadly, US auto makers were hollowed out by "maximize shareholder value" combined with state assistance. Expensive junk. I don't know a path out of that.

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Post by tooltalk »

thewileyone wrote: post #125
lyime wrote: post #123

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China subsidies Byd. It would be bad for american car industry. So if US wants to create a fair competition, they would need to use tariffs or subsidies the US car industry players that could compete fairly with BYD. Looks like US is using tariffs to compete.

Tesla relies on US govt subsidies as well.

Tesla's US subsidies mainly came from a ATVM loan from the DOE back in 2008/2009, repaid back in 2013 -- Ford ($6B) was the largest recipient. The DOE had/have other auto/EV/battery subsidies, equally available to foreign domestic producers/recipients, which is what the global subsidies standard requires. No special, or "specific" subsidy favoring Tesla over others (or local companies over foreign competitors). America's consumer purchase EV subsidies prior to the IRA were also neutral without preference to any "specific" company, industry or country of origin.

China's NEV subsidies were/are illegal and Chinese EVs are countervailed in many developed countries (eg, the EU, Turkiye, Canada, US) because they are misapplied in three key ways.

i. forced tech transfer: no subsidies or market access unless hybrid/BEV/batteries tech transfer to China since 2011; violates China's 2001 Accession Protocal (see Section 7, Non-Tariff Measures); litigated before the WTO by the EU (WT/DS549)

ii, local content requirement: no subsidies or license/permit to operate in China unless automakers' EVs used Chinese batteries made by Chinese local "champions" only, namely CATL, since 2015; all foreign battery producers effectively banned and all EV producers forced to switch to local battery suppliers; violates Article 3(a) Prohibition of the Subsidies and Countervailing Measures (SCM) Agreement

iii, export subsidies: subsidies given to MIC exporters to under price/under cut foreign competitors in markets abroad; EU Commission's counter measures: 2024/1866 and 2024/2754.

Tesla China benefited significantly from China's NEV subsidies and is likewise also countervailed in the EU, at the import tariff rate of 7+%. Tesla no longer imports EV from China in the US/Canada.

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Post by ponector »

contrarian1234 wrote: post #189
attentive wrote: post #183

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Best way to find yourself in war is not prepare for one. As shown time and again. Also, persuading your enemies not to prepare for war is a part of the war effort. > so anachronistic tell that to ruzzia

> As shown time and again what a load of warmongering bs.. I literally can't think of a single example. Korea, Vietnam, France, Britain, Japan, Germany every country involved in a war in the past ~100 years had prepared for it. Maybe maybe Iraq under Saddam Hussein didn't properly prepare? Though they were highly militarized. On the contrary, the more you prepare and get people frothing at the mouth the more likely i…

>> They seem to be a prime example of tanks not working in the modern context

Without proper strategy nothing works. Size of the russian army was too small for the task to fight and occupy such a huge county as Ukraine.

Also russians had bunch of old tanks, almost all of them made in USSR.

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Post by throwaway290 »

izacus wrote: post #153
noufalibrahim wrote: post #143

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I've never used BYD vehicles but I've felt this about budget vehicles. Eg. In India, a Hyundai/kia sedan will be cheaper than a Toyota or a Honda of the same class with much more features. However, they start to break down and over a while, you can see the corners they cut.

Neither Hyundai nor Kia have a failure rate that's worse than any western or japanese manufacturers.

Source? in India Toyota is considered much more reliable vs Kia

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Post by tim333 »

gamblor956 wrote: post #129
ryandrake wrote: post #82

Ever since I rode in a BYD in China I've thought it would be great to be able to get one in the USA. It just really felt complete, put together and polished in a way that I haven't seen in a "normie" U.S. car in a long time. Too bad our country uses high tariffs and regulatory barriers to protect its dinosaur companies.

Contrasting opinion: BYD made electric busses for US transit agencies. They were the worst buses that I have ever ridden. Today, no U.S. transit agency still uses BYD busses, because none of them managed a service live longer than about a year. BYD vehicles seem really nice for the first few hours, until you start discovering all the corners they cut to make their price point.

Ah - that's interesting. I see there's an LA Times article from 2018 about it "Stalls, stops and breakdowns: Problems plague push for electric buses".

On the other hand they seem to be getting a lot in in London, mostly for short less busy routes far from the center. Here's some youtube shot in one https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uaHZufvD_C4 They do look a bit cheaply made compared to usual London busses.

On 13 routes with 16 more scheduled https://bus-routes-in-london.fandom.com/wiki/BYD_BD11#Routes...

The problems seem to be mostly the batteries running out. Maybe they've improved?

(update - went and tried one in Canary Wharf https://postimg.cc/XBJ2zXvX https://postimg.cc/D8SjQWDM - was fine really)

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Post by noufalibrahim »

throwaway290 wrote: post #207
izacus wrote: post #153

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Neither Hyundai nor Kia have a failure rate that's worse than any western or japanese manufacturers.

Source? in India Toyota is considered much more reliable vs Kia

That's been my understanding too. I do think the Korean companies have come a long way in their journeys but the cars don't have resale value and age much worse than their Japanese competitors.

The most attractive parts are the features they pack into the car for a fraction of the cost. The compromises are usually made where it's not immediately visible and for someone who changes his car in less than 5 years, I don't think it's an issue.

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