Who owns Express VPN, Nord, Surfshark? VPN relationships explained (2024)

Post by walterbell » Tue, Oct 07, 2025, 4:17 AM UTC

baby_souffle wrote: post #141

TZubiri wrote: post #115

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Interesting that we use the same word to describe both technologies, but semantically and technically they are very different. Perhaps we use the same word to describe them because initially they did use the same technologies, but they have branched out ever since? Maybe IPSec would be a common tech used. But the algorithms are not the same anymore since they serve different purposes (Personal privacy vs corporate/sy…

> Interesting that we use the same word to describe both technologies, but semantically and technically they are very different. That's where my head was at. When i hear my colleagues talk about a VPN, i'm thinking about an IPSEC tunnel and an afternoon of swearing at ios on some outdated ASA. When I hear regular people talking about a VPN, my mind immediately goes to "oh, so you want to watch rick and morty on netfl…

Post by walterbell » Tue, Oct 07, 2025, 4:25 AM UTC

coderatlarge wrote: post #194

esseph wrote: post #149

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* Russia * Kazakhstan * China * Belarus * Iran * Mayanmar - list of countries that are known or suspected to MITM traffic, including SSL

how so they supposedly do it?

Post by cakealert » Tue, Oct 07, 2025, 4:45 AM UTC

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Im a happy Proton user myself but if someone wanted the absolute most secure and private and reputable VPN I would point them to Mullvad. The main reason I use Proton is because I use the other apps in their suite as well and I get the VPN in the package deal. The threat model is good enough for my use cases

Mullvad doesn't support port forwarding [1] for users that need it unlike proton vpn [2]. Although I have never needed it myself, which in that case Mullvad might be better since they require minimal registration details. [1]: https://mullvad.net/en/blog/removing-the-support-for-forward... [2]: https://protonvpn.com/support/port-forwarding

Post by sciencejerk » Tue, Oct 07, 2025, 4:48 AM UTC

Theodores wrote: post #140

codazoda wrote: post #124

If you’re worried about your VPN provider but you can trust your VPS provider, try an SSH Tunnel. https://joeldare.com/ssh-tunnels-my-vpn-alternative-for-priv...

Thanks for the link. How does this work on the server side? It gets packets on 8080 and then what? The article needs to explain the server config, even if it is just how to install ssh-server. I have tried setting up OpenVPN on my own VPS and I didn't get very far with it. I have also had to use OpenVPN in the day job and I much prefer just using ssh without some extravagant OpenVPN layer. My experience of failing to…

Post by sciencejerk » Tue, Oct 07, 2025, 4:54 AM UTC

walterbell wrote: post #203

coderatlarge wrote: post #194

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how so they supposedly do it?

SSL certificates have a centralized hierarchy. Many browsers trust a long list of root certificate authorities from multiple countries. https://cyberscoop.com/russia-tls-security-certificate-autho... https://jpgamboa.com/china-ssl-authority-revoked-by-browsers...