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Digital ID – The New Chains of Capitalist Surveillance

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Re: Digital ID – The New Chains of Capitalist Surveillance

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Post by pseudalopex »

sQL_inject wrote: post #45
wilg wrote: post #14

I'm not sure the summoning of "capitalism" adds much here (and detracts a lot).

"The notion of “identity” under capitalism has always been bound up with surveillance and discipline." This is the classic surface level grasp where the author uses words like capitalism where they really mean corporatism -- I hope the author isn't against the free and mutually beneficial exchange of goods and services between two willing parties Secondly just replace the word in this quote ^ with communism...or any…

They did not mean corporatism. Commerce is not exclusive to capitalism. The sentences before the 1 you quoted made broader statements.

Re: Digital ID – The New Chains of Capitalist Surveillance

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Post by pseudalopex »

wagram wrote: post #190
sQL_inject wrote: post #45

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"The notion of “identity” under capitalism has always been bound up with surveillance and discipline." This is the classic surface level grasp where the author uses words like capitalism where they really mean corporatism -- I hope the author isn't against the free and mutually beneficial exchange of goods and services between two willing parties Secondly just replace the word in this quote ^ with communism...or any…

The problem is that the author is referring to a body of arguments that most people aren't familiar with, and wouldn't agree with if they were. Within certain leftist circles these are well known, and it's standard to assume the usefulness of ideas from French poststructuralist writers from the 1960s and 1970s, as well as Frankfurt School writers from 1920s and 1930s. These are sometimes called "critical theory". "Su…

The article had clear arguments. No continental philosophy reading is required to understand By embedding digital checkpoints into daily life, whether entering a building, logging into a service, or accessing healthcare, surveillance becomes routine.

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Post by pseudalopex »

agedclock wrote: post #183
octo888 wrote: post #178

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Exactly. They're middle class sounding enough (sufficiently middle class). That's what's funny And nobody said there anything wrong with being middle class.

It is implied that there is something wrong by the fact that it is mentioned in such a manner.

It implied there was something wrong with trusting every chiropodist and professional photographer more than any cook or army sergeant. It implied nothing about being middle middle class.

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Post by array_key_first »

Muromec wrote: post #87
closewith wrote: post #42

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Can you imagine a scenario where this might become a problem?

That entirely depends on how hostile you believe both parties of SSO exchange are towards you.

The idea is we should develop systems that are resistant to relying on trust. Ideally, I should have faith in my life being okay without needing to blindly trust every single company I interact with.

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Post by cess11 »

cess11 wrote: post #141
pjc50 wrote: post #69

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We're also seeing how this plays out with ICE in the US: they're doing random street sweeps, and then the burden of proof is on the victim. They're not stopped by the lack of an ID system.

Are you sure they aren't using mobile phone data collection?

Apparently they are using data from these cameras:

https://www.404media.co/ice-taps-into-nationwide-ai-enabled-...

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Post by octo888 »

microtonal wrote: post #181
octo888 wrote: post #179

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Because the UK gov doesn't want a system like theirs. You don't need to keep Europsplaining to Brits. We aren't all idiots. We know you have ID cards etc and we know about Estonia. Also if we reject one your ideas, it's not always because we misunderstood it - we can understand it AND think it's a bad idea. I know that often hurts the egos of Germans, the French and the Dutch ;(! It's funny because it's often Europea…

Don't feel like you are getting Eurosplained . I say the same thing when our government does something stupid where it could learn from any other country in the world (there is plenty of that). we can understand it AND think it's a bad idea Please explain why Oracle ID would be better than one of the existing governmental/nonprofit systems. Genuinely curious.

> Please explain why Oracle ID would be better than one of the existing governmental/nonprofit systems. Genuinely curious.

I would, if I held that position. I'm explaining my idiotic government's opinion, not mine. Though I totally didn't make that clear.

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Post by ranguna »

willvarfar wrote: post #43
ranguna wrote: post #34

My digital ID in the western European country I live in is great, it also works offline. There's no extra information the government has that it didn't already have. Everything is the same, except now I don't have to carry a physical card with me all the time, I just need my phone and I can switch to a new phone easily.

And you can use online services to interact with the government and other important things like your bank. Imagine the alternative: each government department has their own auth system to roll out and maintain, and you have a gazillion logins to manage etc.

Indeed

Re: Digital ID – The New Chains of Capitalist Surveillance

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Post by dinkumthinkum »

tavavex wrote: post #194
philipallstar wrote: post #84

Calling a state ID card capitalist surveillance is hilarious.

Regardless if you agree with the point or not, I'm not seeing the contradiction. Your government is capitalist, is it not?

The government is not capitalist. No where in the Constitution will you see a mention of capitalism. Communist states however organize their governments around their economic system necessarily.

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Post by wagram »

pseudalopex wrote: post #202
wagram wrote: post #190

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The problem is that the author is referring to a body of arguments that most people aren't familiar with, and wouldn't agree with if they were. Within certain leftist circles these are well known, and it's standard to assume the usefulness of ideas from French poststructuralist writers from the 1960s and 1970s, as well as Frankfurt School writers from 1920s and 1930s. These are sometimes called "critical theory". "Su…

The article had clear arguments. No continental philosophy reading is required to understand By embedding digital checkpoints into daily life, whether entering a building, logging into a service, or accessing healthcare, surveillance becomes routine.

I really don't think so.

My point is not that you need continental philosophy to understand the article. It's that the author assumes the truth of the philosophy. It's not argument. It's just repetition.

Re: Digital ID – The New Chains of Capitalist Surveillance

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Post by zwnow »

port11 wrote: post #192
zwnow wrote: post #136

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Germany as a whole has become a total disaster sadly. From public transportation to schools over retirement homes to rent prices. Everything is crumbling and its depressing. I wished we could at least have good technical infrastructure, as its relatively cost efficient, but no, we lack competence and old people are blocking every modernization there is (in public offices). Its honestly extremely frustrating.

This is one of the most exaggerated takes on the country I've come across. I lived there for 8 years and Germany is, frankly, a superb place to live. I left Germany 3 times and my quality of life took a hit each time. The first 2 I went back; sadly I can't do it again. Public transportation was in the top 3 of what I've experienced in Continental Europe; schools are seen as respectable and good; healthcare was genera…

8 years, wow. Try 30 and actually growing up in this country. School is letting people down, rent prices are exploding. Public transportation is a complete joke (https://youtu.be/0rb9CfOvojk?si=1S258ynDJZkGZdoT)

Sorry, but with how rich Germany is I can and should expect more from this country.

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