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Re: Kagi News

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Post by jacobgkau »

hadlock wrote: post #166
atonse wrote: post #56

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm genuinely asking, but have you tried it? https://kite.kagi.com It actually seems more like an aggregator (like ground.news) to me. And pretty much every single sentence cites the original article(s). There are nice summaries within an article. I think what they mean is that they generate a meta-article after combining the rest of them. There's nothing novel here. But the presentation of the meta-article and publi…

Publishing once a day to remove the "slot machine dopamine hit" is worth it for that alone. I have forever been looking for a peer/replacement to Google News, I was about to pony up for a Ground News subscription but I'll probably hold off for a couple more months. Alternatives to google news have been sorely lacking for over a decade, especially since google news got their mobile-first redesign which significantly a…

> Gmail is gonna be real hard though.

Gmail seems like the easiest piece of the Google puzzle to replace. Different calendar systems have different quirks around repeating events, you sometimes need to try a variety of search engines to find what you're looking for, Docs aren't bug-for-bug equivalent to the Office or iCloud competitors, YouTube has audience, monetization, and hosting scale... Gmail is just "make an email account with a different provider and switch all of your accounts to use the new address." They don't even give you that much storage for free Gmail; it's 15GB, which lots of other email providers can match (especially paid ones). You can import your old emails to your new provider or just store them offline with a variety of email clients.

Is updating all of your accounts (and telling your contacts about the new address) what you consider to be the hard part, or do you actually use any Gmail-specific features? Genuinely curious, as I tend to disregard almost all mail-provider-specific features that any of my mail providers try to get me excited about (Gmail occasionally adds some new trick, but Zoho Mail is especially bad about making me roll my eyes with their new feature notifications).

Re: Kagi News

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Post by stavros »

lukeschlather wrote: post #196
stavros wrote: post #158

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why do you care what technology was used to generate the summaries? What if they had used their old NLP summarizer?

They don't explicitly say they generate summaries at any point in the article. In fact I read it and though this was just some fancy RSS aggregator. The way they describe the "daily briefing" is extremely ambiguous.

OK, but I'd like to repeat my question here: Why do you care how the summary was generated?

Re: Kagi News

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Post by carlosjobim »

fresh_broccoli wrote: post #159
fresh_broccoli wrote: post #138

I think this is the wrong direction. We need better journalism, not better summarizing aggregators. Summaries are no substitute for real articles, even if they're generated by hand (and these apparently are not). Summaries are bound to strip the information of context, important details and analysis. There's also no accountability for the contents. Sure, there are links to the actual articles, but let's not kid ourse…

Also, they talk about "echo chambers" and "full spectrum of global perspectives". Representing all perspectives sounds great in theory, but how far should it go? Should all politicians' remarks be reproduced verbatim with absolutely no commentary, no fact-checking and no context? Should an article about an airplane crossing the Pacific include "some experts believe that this is impossible because Earth is flat?" Exce…

> Should all politicians' remarks be reproduced verbatim with absolutely no commentary, no fact-checking and no context?

Yes. That's an interview, and is much better than summarizations and short soundbites and one-sentence quotes.

Re: Kagi News

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Post by luxurytent »

hughes wrote: post #183

I don't understand how this is 100% free, no subscriptions, no purchase, apparently no ads or tracking and yet I'm also the "customer" and not the product. What's the catch?

It seems fairly low effort (from a cost perspective) to deploy and maintain this feature, so I think it's a great way to get the Kagi name out there, which may perhaps lead to a few new users!

Sort of like a loss leader, eg the Costco hot dog :-)

Re: Kagi News

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Post by rwl »

meowface wrote: post #102
mvieira38 wrote: post #47

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes, that's what it is. Kagi as a brand is LLM-optimist, so you may be fundamentally at odds with them here... If it lessens the issue for you, the sources of each item are cited properly in every example I tried, so maybe you could treat it as a fancy link aggregator

I consider myself a major LLM optimist in many ways, but if I'm receiving a once per day curated news aggregation feed I feel I'd want a human eye. I guess an LLM in theory might have less of the biases found in humans, but you're trading one kind of bias for another.

Indeed! A once per day human-curated news aggregation feed used to be called a "newspaper". You can still get them in some places, I believe.

Re: Kagi News

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Post by pants2 »

alphazard wrote: post #188

What everyone gets wrong about news curation is thinking people want the same news as everyone else, or "both sides" of a situation, or whatever mechanism for exposing them to things that someone else thinks are true. What I actually want is a curated set of things that are useful to me personally given my situation . The most important things about my situation to give me useful news are things like: net worth, inco…

ChatGPT Pulse has actually done a great job at this for me. It knows about an upcoming vacation I have planned and gave me some specific news about closures and events there, with recommendations on what activities to book in advance.

Re: Kagi News

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Post by input_sh »

nemomarx wrote: post #149
input_sh wrote: post #84

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's also a workaround around copyright, news sites would be (rightfully) pissed if you publicly post their articles in full and would argue that you're stealing their viewership. But, if you're essentially doing an automatic mash-up of five stories on the same topic from different sources, all of a sudden you're not doing anything wrong! As an example from one of their sources, you can only re-publish a certain amou…

tbh I would take the headline and first hundred words in a news aggregator. that seems fine?

Yes, that is fine! That's how RSS feeds usually work when you follow more "mainstream" news sources. At the very least, you see the name of the author and you actually make a connection to their server that can be measured in the analytics.

But instead, Kagi "helpfully" regurgitates the whole story, visits the article once, delivers it to presumably thousands, and it can't even be bothered to display all of the sources it regurgitates unless you click to expand the dropdown. And even then the headline itself is one additional click away, and they straight up don't even display the name of the journalist in the pop-up, just the headline.

Incredibly shitty behaviour from them. And then they have the balls to start their about page with this:

> Why Kagi News? Because news is broken.

Re: Kagi News

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Post by luxurytent »

joshstrange wrote: post #45

I wish there was a way to look at a previous day's news. I can't seem to find any buttons/UI that lets you look at news from any day but today.

This seems to go against the principle of the product (see endless scroll)

If you missed a day of news, whatever was really important will re-surface in today's news (major world incident)

Otherwise, perhaps what was missed is noise!

Re: Kagi News

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Post by therein »

vbezhenar wrote: post #177
CaptainOfCoit wrote: post #152

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> A lot of times when I ask for a source, They'll do pretty much everything you ask of them, so unless the text actually come from some source (via tool calls, injecting content into the context or other way), they'll make up a source rather than doing nothing, unless prompted otherwise.

They could make up source, but ChatGPT is an actual app with complicated backend, not dumb pipe between textedit and GPU. Surely they could verify on server side every link they output to user before including it in the answer. I'm sure Codex will implement it in no time!

They surely can detect it, but what are they going to do after detecting it? Loop the last job with a different seed and hope that the model doesn't lie through its teeth? They won't be doing it because the model will gladly generate you a fake source on the next retry too.
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