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Re: Helium Browser

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Post by modo_mario »

rjh29 wrote: post #185
pjmlp wrote: post #150

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah, everyone is doing their little contribution to help Google take over the Web and turn it into ChromeOS Platform. Why did we ever bothered with the IE lawsuit, for a newer generation to give the Web on a plate to Google?

Because at the time IE6 was a terrible browser with poor standards support, while Chrome is an excellent browser with leading standards support. It is a gilded cage.

Isn't part of the issue that they have a big hand in defining the standards?

Re: Helium Browser

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Post by teekert »

PUSH_AX wrote: post #193
BatteryMountain wrote: post #176

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Literally the first thing I looked for...(if it is based on chromium). When can we get a new kind of browser that doesn't use html/css/js...? Build one from scratch with a common design language (but modifiable by the user)

This is a gargantuan task, I can’t even articulate how much work this would be.

Make it markdown based. It'll be like the web once was... Just documents linking to other documents, with images and videos. We just pretend web 2.0 never happened. Everybody can write markdown so we don't even need web2.0.

Re: Helium Browser

#203

Post by foofoo12 »

Zardoz84 wrote: post #196
indy wrote: post #189

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Hopefully the Ladybird browser will become a viable choice soon

I hope that not. Or at least, get out of the control of the controversial person behind it. If I would put all the eggs on a basket, I will prefer Servo.

Wait, what? What did he do?

Re: Helium Browser

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Post by lenkite »

rjh29 wrote: post #185
pjmlp wrote: post #150

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah, everyone is doing their little contribution to help Google take over the Web and turn it into ChromeOS Platform. Why did we ever bothered with the IE lawsuit, for a newer generation to give the Web on a plate to Google?

Because at the time IE6 was a terrible browser with poor standards support, while Chrome is an excellent browser with leading standards support. It is a gilded cage.

It is nice when you have replaced the original standard committee with your own committee. You can always have "leading standards support".

MS was not smart enough to do this. Google was smarter.

Re: Helium Browser

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Post by saubeidl »

godelski wrote: post #124

> Helium is based on Chromium > Best privacy by default Sorry, pass... Even with un-googled Chromium I do not think these statements are self-consistent. We need browsers that do not allow Google to control the ecosystem. We need legitimate competition. So what, our choices are Firefox (Gecko), Safari (WebKit), and Ladybird? Personally I go with Firefox on most devices and Orion (WebKit) on my iPhone and iPad. > Heli…

Zen is quite nice if you like something based on Firefox, but with a stronger UX focus!

Re: Helium Browser

#206

Post by Calavar »

rjh29 wrote: post #185
pjmlp wrote: post #150

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah, everyone is doing their little contribution to help Google take over the Web and turn it into ChromeOS Platform. Why did we ever bothered with the IE lawsuit, for a newer generation to give the Web on a plate to Google?

Because at the time IE6 was a terrible browser with poor standards support, while Chrome is an excellent browser with leading standards support. It is a gilded cage.

> Chrome is an excellent browser with leading standards support.

Google learned it can be "standards compliant" if it submits a draft spec to WHATWG/W3C, and while the comment and revision process is still ongoing, roll out those features in Chrome and start using them in YouTube, Gmail, Google docs, and AMP. Now Firefox and Safari are forced to implement those draft specs as well or users will leave in droves because Google websites are broken. Soon enough, Google's draft spec is standardized with minimal revisions because it's already out there in the wild.

The debate, revision, and multistakeholder aspects of the standards process have been effectively bypassed, a la IE6 and ActiveX, but Chrome can claim to be on the cutting edge of standards compliance. This is a case of Goodharts's law.

Re: Helium Browser

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Post by jamienicol »

httpsoverdns wrote: post #169
john01dav wrote: post #159

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You can't donate to Firefox. You can donate to Mozilla, but that money doesn't go to Firefox.

I recently purchased Firefox relay because I thought it was a nifty service to start using to prevent spam and preserve my privacy, but also a driving factor in my purchase was giving money to Mozilla. I didn't really look into it beyond that internal thought process. Your comment made me wonder, are things so segmented at Mozilla that supporting something like relay doesn't actually help Firefox in general?

I’m a Mozilla employee who works on Firefox, so I’ll try to answer this to the best of my knowledge but as a disclaimer I can’t guarantee I’m 100% correct

Paying for relay will give money to Mozilla Corporation, the same pot the google money goes into, which will predominantly pay for Firefox development but also other products. The corporation’s profits also fund the non-profit Foundation’s activities.

People often raise this argument regarding donating to the Foundation, as that money will be spent by the foundation, therefore not on Firefox. But a dollar raised by the foundation is a dollar less the corporation has to give the foundation, leaving it with more money to spend on Firefox and other things.

You can also donate directly to “MZLA” which makes thunderbird, and that money will be spent on thunderbird.

Re: Helium Browser

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Post by lenkite »

Zardoz84 wrote: post #196
indy wrote: post #189

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Hopefully the Ladybird browser will become a viable choice soon

I hope that not. Or at least, get out of the control of the controversial person behind it. If I would put all the eggs on a basket, I will prefer Servo.

Does the person's political opinion even matter if the product is good quality ? 20 years ago, nobody used to care.

Re: Helium Browser

#209

Post by chiffaa »

teekert wrote: post #202
PUSH_AX wrote: post #193

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is a gargantuan task, I can’t even articulate how much work this would be.

Make it markdown based. It'll be like the web once was... Just documents linking to other documents, with images and videos. We just pretend web 2.0 never happened. Everybody can write markdown so we don't even need web2.0.

You might wanna look into Gopher and Gemini protocols, as they seem to be pretty much exactly that

Re: Helium Browser

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Post by vovavili »

pjmlp wrote: post #150
godelski wrote: post #124

> Helium is based on Chromium > Best privacy by default Sorry, pass... Even with un-googled Chromium I do not think these statements are self-consistent. We need browsers that do not allow Google to control the ecosystem. We need legitimate competition. So what, our choices are Firefox (Gecko), Safari (WebKit), and Ladybird? Personally I go with Firefox on most devices and Orion (WebKit) on my iPhone and iPad. > Heli…

Yeah, everyone is doing their little contribution to help Google take over the Web and turn it into ChromeOS Platform. Why did we ever bothered with the IE lawsuit, for a newer generation to give the Web on a plate to Google?

The last thing Google would want is the web to turn into a Chrome platform. Unlike with Microsoft or even Apple, their source of revenue is web, and they they are doing everything in their capacity for this platform to win. This is exactly why they open-sourced most of Chrome and almost fully finance Chrome's biggest competitor.
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