Hacker News Board Hacker News, browsed like a classic message board
Live data from Hacker News

Tesla influencers tried coast-to-coast self-driving, hit debris before 60 miles

electrek.co

Post reply on HN
Print view View original

201–210 of 410 posts

Re: Tesla influencers tried coast-to-coast self-driving, hit debris before 60 miles

#201

Post by fransje26 »

zwaps wrote: post #79
general1465 wrote: post #50

Tangentially - If you as a European happen to drive on US highways, you will noticed that they are heavily littered with fallen cargo, aluminum ladders, huge amount of shredded tires and occasionally a trailer without a towing car... It has been so bizarre for me to observe this. Nobody is cleaning that?

Why are Dutch or Swiss highways so much more pristine than French and German ones? Have you compared distances?

> Why are Dutch or Swiss highways so much more pristine than French and German ones?

??

They are not..

Re: Tesla influencers tried coast-to-coast self-driving, hit debris before 60 miles

#202

Post by samrus »

cozzyd wrote: post #183
pavlov wrote: post #160

Earlier quoted context omitted.

He lies relentlessly even to customers who paid for the product. I know because I’m one of them. FSD paid in full almost seven years ago, still does absolutely nothing in Europe. A five-year-old would do a better job at driving because the Tesla can’t even see speed limit signs correctly. Tesla takes no responsibility for their misleading marketing and years of lies. Most recently Musk promised in early 2025 that the…

I think Elon would say that this is a regulatory problem because you guys don't have the same signs or distance units as in the US.

So why take money for it? And computer vision is well past the stage where the information can be read from these signs, theres enough training data. So thats not a real hurdle. If different road geometry or traffic customs/rules is the issue then just admit that FSD cant generalize like a human and is overfit to the us. Why lie and pretend its almost human level?

Re: Tesla influencers tried coast-to-coast self-driving, hit debris before 60 miles

#204

Post by samrus »

sureglymop wrote: post #150
TheAceOfHearts wrote: post #117

One of my biggest criticisms of Elon is that he rarely takes accountability for his words and nobody ever holds him accountable by asking directly. This isn't a high bar to clear, but some people continuously excuse him as being "overly-eager" in his predictions. If that was the case, he could still provide reasonable updates when a predicted date is missed along with an explanation, even if it's just: "Hey, it turns…

> when you realize that your predictions are going to be wrong, you should have the basic decency to update people Not to get too political, but the last I've heard of Elon Musk is that he was speaking to/mobilizing right wing extremists at a big protest in London. I am also pretty sure he has been trying to do similar things in other European nations (for whatever reason). It seems to me that it is a bit late to ple…

Society needa a "no assholes" policy in order to syay high trust. Elon not being a pariah because of his grifting is a sign the US is becoming a lower and lower trust society. And its billioniares making it so

Re: Tesla influencers tried coast-to-coast self-driving, hit debris before 60 miles

#205

Post by cozzyd »

mooxie wrote: post #179
tedggh wrote: post #113

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The question is if avoiding the obstacle or breaking was the safest thing to do. I did not watch the entire test, but they are definitely cases where a human will suddenly break or change lanes and cause a very unsafe condition for other drivers. Not saying that was the case here, but sometimes what a human would do is not a good rule for what the autonomous system should do.

An enormous part of safe driving is maintaining a mental map of the vehicles around you and what your options are if you need to make sudden changes. If you are not able to react to changing conditions without being unsafe, you are driving unsafely already.

This is an important aspect of why "supervised" self driving is much more dangerous than just driving.

Re: Tesla influencers tried coast-to-coast self-driving, hit debris before 60 miles

#206

Post by newyankee »

root_axis wrote: post #102
rob74 wrote: post #43

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Well, I have to admit that your friend has a point. Humans are bad at reacting quickly and correctly to unexpected situations, and some debris large enough to damage your car showing up from out of nowhere after several hours of boring driving along a largely straight highway with little traffic is definitely one of these situations. But a self-driving system worth its salt should always be alert, scanning the road a…

I'm not convinced. The debris is clearly visible to the humans a long way off and the adjacent lane is wide open. Avoiding road debris is extremely common even in more congested and treacherous driving conditions. Certainly it's possible that someone texting on their phone or something might miss it, but under normal circumstances it could have been easily avoided.

I feel Waymo's LIDAR might have worked here

Re: Tesla influencers tried coast-to-coast self-driving, hit debris before 60 miles

#207

Post by curiousObject »

saberdancer wrote: post #55
ForHackernews wrote: post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you watch the video, the human non-drivers in the car noticed the road debris and could have reacted, but seemed not to because they were waiting for the computer to respond first.

They were testing FSD so I understand why they would do it. It also looked like roadkill and didn't expect it to be a hard obstacle.

You are correct that they were testing the system, so they probably waited too long to react. But Tesla’s car didn’t do well in this incident

A competent human driver would instinctively slow down, look at the potential obstruction, and think about changing lanes or an emergency stop.

Most probably, the visible object is just some water spilled on the road or that kind of thing. But if it isn’t then it’s very dangerous

This car appeared to be blind to any risk. That’s not acceptable

Re: Tesla influencers tried coast-to-coast self-driving, hit debris before 60 miles

#209

Post by Fricken »

exe34 wrote: post #48
datadrivenangel wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Level 2 is very dangerous because it's so good that humans are only needed in emergencies...

I assume you spotted the problem? Or are you saying you missed it?

He's saying the more a driver trusts a partially automated driving system the less likely they are to be paying attention themselves.

Re: Tesla influencers tried coast-to-coast self-driving, hit debris before 60 miles

#210

Post by kgwgk »

richrichardsson wrote: post #165
lapcat wrote: post #99

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Did they have traffic tailgating? No. If you continue to watch the video after the collision, it's clear that there was no traffic tailgating. They even slowed down and pulled over to the side of the road. No other cars.

I'm unsure why having traffic tailgating even factors into it. If you have to hit the brakes to avoid a collision in front of you, it's not your responsibility to deal with traffic behind you that wasn't at a safe distance; that's all on them.

It’s not like you would expect any inconvenience from being rear-ended or anything so why would you care?
Post reply on HN