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Microsoft has urged its employees on H-1B and H-4 visas to return immediately

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Post by ffsm8 »

foogazi wrote: post #194
ffsm8 wrote: post #191

I'm not American, but with how many software engineers having gotten laid off over the last 4 years, reducing foreign workers competing for the same positions should be a given from the perspective of governing a nation. I'm surprised how divisive such a decision seems to be considering our current reality of a contracting industry (employment wise)

> but with how many software engineers having gotten laid off over the last 4 years And how many times have we heard that you can’t time the market Can you call the bottom ?

Let's be real here, the metric the foreign workers are mainly competing on is price.

The average tech immigrant is not particularly more bright then the average native dev, and the truly outstanding ones can still be given entrance just my paying 100k - which should be entirely neglectable for world class talent.

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Post by jacquesm »

omarqureshi wrote: post #192
jacquesm wrote: post #175

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes, from the US economy's point of view this is a massive own goal. But I'm far more concerned with the people affected than with the US economy or the companies. Having to re-schedule your life on a 48 hour notice is a very hard problem in logistics, finances and various paper tigers. I'd focus on personal safety first and sort out the details bit-by-bit, the one thing I would not do is to try to get back in to the…

There is ONLY one solution - get back to America tonight, sort out the logistics afterwards.

The problem is that that may not be logistically feasible. This is no accident.

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Post by MangoToupe »

mindslight wrote: post #121
MangoToupe wrote: post #29

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Yea, this is reagan's party with the mask off

Cold war Reagan who stood up to Russia/China, generally represented American interests, and led - regardless of many disagreeing with him politically? No, this is that party having gone insane from stewing in reactionary talk radio for decades in a cycle of getting angrier while being repeatedly suckered into supporting more specious policies that leave them worse off. The Republican party had been farming this hate…

> who stood up to Russia/China, generally represented American interests

He did not represent American interests. He hollowed out this country and sold us up the river.

Re: Microsoft has urged its employees on H-1B and H-4 visas to return immediately

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Post by ericmay »

intended wrote: post #171
ericmay wrote: post #98

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I agree with you with respect to timing, but I don't think it's too much of one thing or another, and just chalk it up to typical Trump Administration "move fast and make things dumb" approach to various policies. I guess it's possible they chose this weekend to enact the highest shakedown possible on H1B visa holders outside the United States, but I'm reluctant to give them that much credit. I think they just said h…

What you wrote reminds me of descriptions of the Soviet Union.

In which way? Because of the poor implementation?

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Post by ericmay »

UncleMeat wrote: post #198
ericmay wrote: post #21

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> Meanwhile, if you didn’t return by Sunday, you’re locked out of the country and unable to show up for work which will result in your termination fairly soon. I’m actually curious, have you worked at a large corporation before? It would be atypical for the scenario you are describing to occur given that there has been a US government policy change that’s of no fault of the employee who is still eligible to work in t…

The issue is less "I guess he is fired." The issue is "my kids are at home in the US and I can't get home to take care of them because of this sudden policy that nobody knows how to navigate."

Sure but I was responding to “they are fired” aspect.

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Post by jacquesm »

ben_w wrote: post #94
add-sub-mul-div wrote: post #81

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I don't think this is a bill, just part of a series of proclamations he sprays around to get tied up in courts and then revoked by the next adult in the office. Legislation takes serious time and work and discipline, but it can be lasting in a way this isn't. This is a failed marshmallow test.

I don't know @jacquesm's intent, but I read "bill" as in "invoice", not as in "proposed new law".

You got it just fine.

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Post by jacquesm »

HippoBaro wrote: post #16

It was nighttime in Singapore when the ruling was announced. My husband and I scrambled to find a flight back. The best we could find, at any price, lands 25mins after the deadline. We are on our way there.

Much good luck. Hope you sail trough without harm.

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Post by jacquesm »

mindslight wrote: post #161
cyanydeez wrote: post #144

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Not a whole lot more. Abroad he was viewed as a third rate actor and a fourth rate president. Some accidents of timing whitewashed his tenure.

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Post by jacquesm »

Havoc wrote: post #134

This has very strong "cruelty is the point" vibes. There are a fair bit of international flights in the 10-12 hour range. Add some time to pack, get to airport, baggage check, get through security & how the flight times line up and this seems calculated in a way that is precisely not doable. Never mind people not perpetually online and only seeing this a couple hours later Meanwhile there is to my knowledge no reason…

Yes, no way that any of this isn't finely calibrated to cause maximum misery. I was on the wrong side of the border when 9/11 happened, for months a whole chunk of my life was in limbo. Thanks to giving my bookkeeper emergency power of attorney in just such an eventuality we managed to squeak through but if not for that bit of foresight I'm not sure if we would have.
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