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Kimmel was canceled explicitly because of a threat by the government. Carr has made that clear.
Why are people playing dumb and ignoring this detail?
It's not being ignored. It's being judged to be incorrect.
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Re: After getting Jimmy Kimmel suspended, FCC chair threatens ABC's The View
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> for 10 years democratic lawmakers and media figures are disavowing violence on both sides, while republican lawmakers and media figures are doing the opposite It was not a Republican media figure who made that video of herself holding "a mask styled to look like the severed, bloody head" of the POTUS. Among the biggest-name political Twitch streamers, it's not the right-wingers who are being shown to have all sorts…
> Twitch There are only 2 sides on twitch right now, both illiberal. One side has the political philosophy that amounts to "if Trump does it, we support it". The other side is a fringe far left (e.g. tankies). Except the former "philosophy" is supported by 90% of republicans, and the latter is ostracized by democrats. Even AOC (the once symbol of far leftism) shifted towards more mainstream liberal democratic values.…
> One side has the political philosophy that amounts to "if Trump does it, we support it".
I disagree that this is an accurate characterization of the side that isn't the "fringe far left".
> and the latter is ostracized by democrats.
It looks to me like, far from being ostracized, Hasan Piker is getting to do another round of puff pieces in sympathetic outlets.
> And you are comparing president of the country to twitch streamers.
No; you are the one who spoke of "lawmakers and media figures", so I am comparing media figures to media figures.
Re: After getting Jimmy Kimmel suspended, FCC chair threatens ABC's The View
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This feels like a principled, fantasy response. We're not at the "shaking fists on podiums" stage of this issue.
I don't know how to interpret "shaking fists on podiums", but it reads as "we're not at the stage where we talk these things out". The only other option is violence, so if you're saying that then say it directly.
I think they’re saying this isn’t debate club. When companies are being threatened, when universities are being told their research grants will be illegally withheld unless they punish students or faculty for exercising constitutional rights, when civil servants are being vetted by political apparatchiks for their political views, it’s not a hypothetical question about the boundaries of civil discourse.
Re: After getting Jimmy Kimmel suspended, FCC chair threatens ABC's The View
#204I'm not a US citizen so take what I write below with a grain of salt. I always thought the US to be a stronghold of democracy and free speech. I know, it's a naive view and we know how huge companies and corrupt politicians can subvert the system. But still, I thought it had a decent law system that, although imperfect like any other system, kept things from going back to the dark ages. I don't believe that anymore a…
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Re: After getting Jimmy Kimmel suspended, FCC chair threatens ABC's The View
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No, enough people were angered by him when he accused Trump supporters of killing Kirk that abc had to pull for financial reasons. Not sure why he would’ve said that on a comedy show.
No, Kimmel accused Trump supporters of publicly trying to distance themselves from the shooter.
Yes, but in the same breath Kimmel said the assassin was a MAGA supporter.
Kimmel's words:
"...the MAGA gang [was] desperately trying to characterize this kid who murdered Charlie Kirk as anything other than one of them..."
The assassin may have indeed once been a MAGA supporter - his family certainly appear to be so. But political beliefs can change quickly as his history demostrates:
The assassin found true love in a transsexual roommate/lover.So overcome was he by his love for his transsexual roomie and so offended by MAGA supporter Charlie Kirk's objections to LGBTQ+, that he engraved LGBTQ+ graffiti on 30-06 ammo and shot Charlie Kirk in the neck with one of the bullets. He left the remaining bullets with the rifle IIRC.
Was the assassin a MAGA supporter at the moment he pulled the trigger? Beats me!
Re: After getting Jimmy Kimmel suspended, FCC chair threatens ABC's The View
#206Earlier quoted context omitted.
This feels like a principled, fantasy response. We're not at the "shaking fists on podiums" stage of this issue.
I don't know how to interpret "shaking fists on podiums", but it reads as "we're not at the stage where we talk these things out". The only other option is violence, so if you're saying that then say it directly.
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Thanks, I genuinely appreciate the perspective. Do you find that perspective is primarily gotten from real life conversations, or from discourse online/social media/political commentators? I often fantasize about being able to just converse openly and be able to mutually share experiences. I was raised very conservative and speak the language and know the values. I don't hold those beliefs anymore because of experien…
> Do you find that perspective is primarily gotten from real life conversations, or from discourse online/social media/political commentators? Both. I worked at a company that leaned right, and there was a guy I worked with that took every opportunity to interject with his left/liberal opinion. I think people found it annoying sometimes, but we had some good discussions every once in a while. His career didn't suffer…
I get this is a rhetorical question, but I'm still unsure where your hangups are coming from.
Most of my friends are some flavor of Christian. They use my pronouns around me. I don't take their Lords name in vain around them. Sometimes, coexistance and respect are really as simple as that.
Re: After getting Jimmy Kimmel suspended, FCC chair threatens ABC's The View
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I don't know how to interpret "shaking fists on podiums", but it reads as "we're not at the stage where we talk these things out". The only other option is violence, so if you're saying that then say it directly.
I think they’re saying this isn’t debate club. When companies are being threatened, when universities are being told their research grants will be illegally withheld unless they punish students or faculty for exercising constitutional rights, when civil servants are being vetted by political apparatchiks for their political views, it’s not a hypothetical question about the boundaries of civil discourse.
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Re: After getting Jimmy Kimmel suspended, FCC chair threatens ABC's The View
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> - What Kimmel said was wrong (assuming you believe Utah state investigators) and deeply irresponsible and inflammatory. I agree that we should be disavowing violence. The problem is that for 10 years democratic lawmakers and media figures are disavowing violence on both sides, while republican lawmakers and media figures are doing the opposite: stoking the flames, promoting the idea of civil war, telling everyone t…
> for 10 years democratic lawmakers and media figures are disavowing violence on both sides, while republican lawmakers and media figures are doing the opposite It was not a Republican media figure who made that video of herself holding "a mask styled to look like the severed, bloody head" of the POTUS. Among the biggest-name political Twitch streamers, it's not the right-wingers who are being shown to have all sorts…
Do you live under a fucking rock? Right wingers are all mindlessly screaming about antifa and transgenders online, and calling out for civil war.
Re: After getting Jimmy Kimmel suspended, FCC chair threatens ABC's The View
#210I'm sure there's some Republicans on HN. I'm curious why/if you think that, if the public pressuring companies to fire people for some things (what some people call "cancelling") is wrong, it's somehow more appropriate for the government to do it? Or is this just a matter of, "well, they did it for years, now it's our turn" for you? (If you don't actually support this party, consider refraining from sharing your opin…
I think you should understand that a lot of R's vote along party lines and just felt that Trump would be the lesser of two evils. I would rephrase your question to ask for people that support this specific action, as opposed to membership in the party. I am a Republican, not necessarily thrilled with how things are going, and I completely oppose forcing Kimmel out of a job for this. It is not only unconstitutional in…
I also am Republican and believe in free speech but I believe it was OK to fire Kimmel b/c he's an employee who serves at the whim of his employer.
It isn't a free speech issue b/c the government didn't fire him. Nor do I think the government had much to do with Kimmel's firing.
I believe Kimmel displayed extremely poor taste in his choice of topics and wording, enough for any reasonable business to fire his ass. Maybe he can come back in a year.