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Denmark close to wiping out cancer-causing HPV strains after vaccine roll-out

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Re: Denmark close to wiping out cancer-causing HPV strains after vaccine roll-out

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Post by fsckboy »

vharuck wrote: post #130
Fomite wrote: post #84

Earlier quoted context omitted.

To be blunt: Cost-effectiveness.

In the US, recommendations come from the United States Preventive Services Task Force. They explicitly do not consider cost in their decisions. They look at harm vs benefit, usually with a focus on mortality reduction. Most insurance companies will base their coverage on the USPSTF. https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/vpd/hpv/hcp/recommendations.htm...

if you suspect that the cdc has been captured by big pharma, "and we don't care about cost of these recommended drugs" should pretty much seal the deal for you :)

Re: Denmark close to wiping out cancer-causing HPV strains after vaccine roll-out

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Post by phkahler »

sillyfluke wrote: post #57
rtaylorgarlock wrote: post #50

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And note i believe they just increased the recommended age of administration up to ~40yo? Throat cancer sucks. Get the vax.

Why is there an age limit on an all encompassing vax, wasn't the famous posterchild for this disease Michael Douglas?

Conspiracy theory: they want old people to die.

Re: Denmark close to wiping out cancer-causing HPV strains after vaccine roll-out

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Post by habinero »

codr7 wrote: post #146
bsder wrote: post #133

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1) If your wife was having a high risk pregnancy and couldn't get vaccinated, she really shouldn't have been working on the front lines during Covid, anyway. 2) Take a look in the mirror and try blaming the people who have made "getting a vaccine" a culture war political statement rather than something routine and uncontroversial. If vaccines were uncontroversial, medical exemptions from them would also be rare and u…

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None of that is true, my dude. Don't fall for that victim mentality.

Re: Denmark close to wiping out cancer-causing HPV strains after vaccine roll-out

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Post by BjoernKW »

sillyfluke wrote: post #57
rtaylorgarlock wrote: post #50

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And note i believe they just increased the recommended age of administration up to ~40yo? Throat cancer sucks. Get the vax.

Why is there an age limit on an all encompassing vax, wasn't the famous posterchild for this disease Michael Douglas?

The rationale is that most sexually active people have already been infected with HPV anyway, so the largest benefit of administering the vaccine is at a young age.

Re: Denmark close to wiping out cancer-causing HPV strains after vaccine roll-out

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Post by epistasis »

fsckboy wrote: post #201
vharuck wrote: post #130

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In the US, recommendations come from the United States Preventive Services Task Force. They explicitly do not consider cost in their decisions. They look at harm vs benefit, usually with a focus on mortality reduction. Most insurance companies will base their coverage on the USPSTF. https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/vpd/hpv/hcp/recommendations.htm...

if you suspect that the cdc has been captured by big pharma, "and we don't care about cost of these recommended drugs" should pretty much seal the deal for you :)

Oh wow how the conspiracy theories change.

There used to be fears of "death panels" controlling access to medical care when Clinton tried to propose universal health care.

The CDC and FDA are about safety, not cost management. And they get significant complaints about how much they regulate pharma and are impediments to pharma for that!

Now the conspiracy theorists of the other side seem to be having their day in the public mind.

Re: Denmark close to wiping out cancer-causing HPV strains after vaccine roll-out

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Post by colingauvin »

sillyfluke wrote: post #57
rtaylorgarlock wrote: post #50

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And note i believe they just increased the recommended age of administration up to ~40yo? Throat cancer sucks. Get the vax.

Why is there an age limit on an all encompassing vax, wasn't the famous posterchild for this disease Michael Douglas?

A lot of replies that are mostly true, or somewhat true, or simply missing the real reasons.

There are two factors here:

1) Vaccine-derived immunity is a function of the individual's immune response, which in general, weakens significantly with age. It is not unrealistic for a vaccine to simply fail to elicit any response in someone old enough.

2) It is very, very difficult to recruit folks without HPV that are over 40 for a clinical trial. Most people of that age, who were never immunized, most likely have had it. This significantly convolutes the signal.

3) This is all especially confounded once something becomes "standard of care". Every year there are fewer and fewer people age 40+ with HPV.

For these reasons, the vaccine is currently officially ??? in people over 40. Most doctors will prescribe it anyways if you ask. It may or may not infer immunity. It almost certainly will not harm you.

Re: Denmark close to wiping out cancer-causing HPV strains after vaccine roll-out

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Post by habinero »

OrvalWintermute wrote: post #173
bsder wrote: post #133

Earlier quoted context omitted.

1) If your wife was having a high risk pregnancy and couldn't get vaccinated, she really shouldn't have been working on the front lines during Covid, anyway. 2) Take a look in the mirror and try blaming the people who have made "getting a vaccine" a culture war political statement rather than something routine and uncontroversial. If vaccines were uncontroversial, medical exemptions from them would also be rare and u…

A percent of people have allergies to multiple vaccine ingredients. One of her friends likewise in the medical field with allergies was forced to get a vaccine or lose her job, and then proceeded to have significant medical issues afterwards from the allergy attacks The vaccine regime has lost many supporters, myself included.

There's nothing anyone can say to convince you, and that's sad.

Re: Denmark close to wiping out cancer-causing HPV strains after vaccine roll-out

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Post by myself248 »

toomuchtodo wrote: post #52
comrade1234 wrote: post #36

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Any way to test for previous exposure? I'd be pretty surprised if I didn't already have antibodies. I suppose it doesn't matter though.

HPV tests are of low value (as an adult, if ever sexually active, you likely have it but can do nothing about it); a new biomarker test that can detect the cancers is being developed [1]. Ongoing cancer surveillance is all you can do once exposed without having been vaccinated (and if cancer occurs, immunotherapy). As pm90 wrote, I strongly recommend getting vaccinated [2] unless a doctor tells you otherwise, even if…

> previous potential exposure.

Isn't that basically everyone who's had sex with someone who had sex before the vaccine was common? I was denied when I asked my last doctor, on that logic. I'll ask my current doctor.

Re: Denmark close to wiping out cancer-causing HPV strains after vaccine roll-out

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Post by habinero »

boxerab wrote: post #134
jacobgorm wrote: post #113

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That study is small, observation based and controversial, and the researchers have data from a randomized follow up study that they have been keeping secret for the last 14 years. The coverage of the controversy has mostly been in Danish media, despite these hacks advising the current US administration. See https://www.sensible-med.com/p/the-false-narrative-of-nonspe... for a writeup in English.

And yet, this is a valid concern for any new drug - does it have a net positive benefit ? And can you guess why DTP was replaced by DTaP in the developed world, while people like Gates and orgs like GAVI are still promoting it in the third world ?

There's nothing anyone can say to change your mind, and that's incredibly sad.

Re: Denmark close to wiping out cancer-causing HPV strains after vaccine roll-out

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Post by Aurornis »

arjie wrote: post #147
pm90 wrote: post #18

If you're living in the US: please consider getting the vaccine, ragardless of your age. It was covered by my (rather shitty) health insurance. It consists of just 2 (EDIT: 3 for adults!) doses. It is recommended for both Males and Females.

It is actually not straightforward to do. Safeway Pharmacy refused to actually give me the vaccine when I showed up saying I'm not in a group that's eligible. One Medical told me that it would be a $400/shot 3-shot regimen. I'll probably just travel to India some time to visit family and get Cervavac there instead of Gardasil here. It's about $20/shot.

Depending on the state you’re in, you likely have to get a prescription from a doctor, not a pharmacist, due to the wording of the law.

Simplest route would be to call your primary doctor and ask if they can give it to you at your next annual checkup.

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