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Apple Debuts iPhone 17

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Re: Apple Debuts iPhone 17

#201

Sigh, the only upgrade for my 12 mini is still the 13 mini?

Same here. I’m going to get a new battery soon, so that’ll give me a few more years. I’m hoping something comes along in that time that I want. Otherwise, I may just go to a Japanese eInk phone.

which Japanese eInk phone?

Re: Apple Debuts iPhone 17

#202

I always have a hard time swallowing the price of modern smart phones. Having something so ridiculously expensive and fragile as an everyday carry seems absurd to me. For reference, you can buy two Steam Deck LCDs for the price of one iPhone 17.

Same with cars. You can't get a decent one without dropping at least a million.

Re: Apple Debuts iPhone 17

#203

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Video has always been the real storage eater. A few minutes of video is larger than the whole years worth of photos.

Don't forget live photos as well

Live photos don't use all that much. I went and checked my library and they are all 2-4MB. Which seems to be roughly the same as the non live photos. Vs a 20 second 4k60fps video which was 240MB

Re: Apple Debuts iPhone 17

#204

Apple shipping their in-house network silicon (5G cellular, WiFi, Bluetooth, etc) to their wider product line is certainly a long time coming. I would assume this means Apple laptops with integrated cellular modems are on the near horizon.

> I would assume this means Apple laptops with integrated cellular modems are on the near horizon.

ROFL. Apple wants to sell as much different devices to a single person as possible. What next, you expect cellular iPads to be able to make calls without tethered iPhone?

Re: Apple Debuts iPhone 17

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post #25

> iPhone 17 introduces N1, a new Apple-designed wireless networking chip that enables Wi-Fi 7, Bluetooth 6, and Thread. What is Thread?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thread_(network_protocol) > Thread is an IPv6-based, low-power mesh networking technology for Internet of things (IoT) products. > Often used as a transport for Matter (the combination being known as Matter over Thread), the protocol has seen increased use for connecting low-power and battery-operated smart-home devices. > Thread uses 6LoWPAN, which, in turn, uses the IEEE 802.15.4 wirel…

Thank you, stranger! And all the other sibling comments too. Sometimes, it’s not trivial to search things on my own, when I don’t understand what the result I’m looking for.

Funny thing, I know very little of networking, but this bears more sense than just Thread.

Re: Apple Debuts iPhone 17

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post #163

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I literally laid them on top of each other and the 6 was marginally larger. Betrays the point anyway: the ideal size was the 5 and it was nowhere near that, even by your official numbers (which I would guess are excluding the rounded edges maybe? - regardless, not the point)

> I literally laid them on top of each other and the 6 was marginally larger. So you did that and still wrote that the minis were larger? Or you did that after I pointed out that the minis were smaller?

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Re: Apple Debuts iPhone 17

#207

Each new model has an asymptotically smaller feature bump. In 10 years we may have converged on the complete cell phone. Maybe the recent introduction of foldable phones indicates the opposite. Is it the final blip, or will something similarly disruptive happen every 5-7 years? Discuss.

We converged already 5 years ago, the feature bumps we're getting now are artificially created for marketing reasons.

Yeah. When I refreshed from an 11 to a 15 Pro… the only noticeable difference was the better camera.

Re: Apple Debuts iPhone 17

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post #138

I'm actually considering buying myself an iPhone for the first time. I have basically two priorities when buying an phone: 1. Freedom. I should be able to build and run apps on it without the platform holder having a barrier on it. 2. Privacy. The phone shouldn't be an object to track me for better ad sales or any other purpose. Of course, priority 1 has until recently always led to Android while priority 2 has alway…

Thing is, privacy with apple is a marketing term.

if apple offered actual privacy, you could:

- find out what/when apps are running

- find out who they are talking to

- prevent it, including apple if you want

and apple has all kinds of nonsense like deep links (apps can intercept links), bluetooth beacons (apps can talk to stuff in a store/location), and lots of other stuff behind the scenes. You can't find out if it is in use.

Re: Apple Debuts iPhone 17

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post #15

No Mini. Not surprised. I guess I'm gonna replace the battery in my 13 mini finally. Wonder if we'll ever see folding phones. I'm not concerned with the thickness but the overall foot print that's pocketable would be amazing.

The iPhone Air is definitely a testing ground for folding phone technologies.

Seems like the harder part would be getting the folding piece down - foldable is going to have much more volume for components than the air; but I'm sure getting it as thin as it is was already challenging

Re: Apple Debuts iPhone 17

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post #138

I'm actually considering buying myself an iPhone for the first time. I have basically two priorities when buying an phone: 1. Freedom. I should be able to build and run apps on it without the platform holder having a barrier on it. 2. Privacy. The phone shouldn't be an object to track me for better ad sales or any other purpose. Of course, priority 1 has until recently always led to Android while priority 2 has alway…

Battery and USB-C ports can easily be changed. You don't need to change the whole thing to fix that. Just like you don't buy a new car when you have a flat tire or broken AC.
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