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Tesla market share in US drops to lowest since 2017

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Re: Tesla market share in US drops to lowest since 2017

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Post by senordevnyc »

gonzobonzo wrote: post #149
FireBeyond wrote: post #139

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What? One of Tesla's more recent demos of Optimus literally had a handler with a remote control "driving" it.

This is a non-sequitur. The Optimus demonstrations so far have been partially controlled (though the degree to which they were appears to be overstated). This doesn't change the fact that they've done public demonstrations with the robots while Boston Dynamics hasn't.

It's not a non-sequitur, because if the "partial control" of the robot is significant enough, it's no longer a robot.

Re: Tesla market share in US drops to lowest since 2017

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Post by brewdad »

somedude895 wrote: post #198
stirfish wrote: post #113

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I wonder if the politics will impact the designs in the long run, as Tesla becomes a less desirable place to work

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With every insane X post Musk makes we get closer to where having Tesla on your resume is a black mark the same way folks are judging Meta employees in the other thread.

When the politics are that front and center, it becomes a real liability to the company.

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Post by dzhiurgis »

bilsbie wrote: post #53

Battery prices have dropped so much over the past ten years. So I don’t understand why they can’t make a cheaper vehicle. At some point EVs should be way cheaper than ICE vehicles.

I live in NZ. Plenty of cheap EVs. Cheapest BYD is about 24k USD. Yet Tesla is still leading by far even when it's about 30% more expensive. https://evdb.nz/sales

Re: Tesla market share in US drops to lowest since 2017

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Post by diebeforei485 »

mminer237 wrote: post #58
leetharris wrote: post #6

The whole EV market is growing and everyone is racing to buy one before incentives run out. The article is framed as a hit piece and even has political statements in it. But here is an exact quote from the article: "Sales of new EVs jumped more than 24% month over month in July to 128,268, according to the Cox data, driven by the looming end of a $7,500 tax credit for EVs and attractive deals. Tesla saw sales rise 7%…

If EVs in general rose 24% due to rushing to get in before the tax credit ends but Tesla—the largest seller—only saw a 7% bump, isn't that a failure? #2 GM had a 10+% bump. Ford had a 19%. Hyundai, Honda, Kia, and Toyota all rose 60+%. Volkswagen rose over 450%. Sure it's fine in a bubble, but they are doing worse than most other car makers.

No, because Tesla has a much higher baseline

Re: Tesla market share in US drops to lowest since 2017

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Post by diebeforei485 »

The article is referring to EV market share, which is a useless metric. The whole point of Tesla opening their patents and their chargers was to encourage more companies to make EV's, which would necessarily imply a drop in Tesla's EV market share.

The metric that I would like to see is Tesla's market share of the auto market in general (regardless of fuel type).

I like the new Model 3 and Model Y. It is unfortunate that they didn't do a facelift for the Model S and X. I know they've updated the motors and batteries and interior, but unless you look closely the Model X looks pretty much the same as it did in 2016.

Re: Tesla market share in US drops to lowest since 2017

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Post by dzhiurgis »

metadat wrote: post #101
DoesntMatter22 wrote: post #82

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The model Y is the best selling car in the world, so this statement doesn't really make sense

You already mentioned that 2 minutes ago in the same submission: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=45176460 https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html Please consider what your commentary adds to the discussion before posting, repetition detracts from thread quality. Thanks!

Pot calling the kettle black.

Re: Tesla market share in US drops to lowest since 2017

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Post by dzhiurgis »

armadsen wrote: post #90
nemomarx wrote: post #78

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think the target audience for a Toyota or Honda (boring but reliable car) isn't very interested in the kind of quality control Tesla has. They're supposed to make up for that in other features and the unique style of the truck is part of that, in theory.

I think the current Prius PHEV looks much better than any Tesla right now. (It’s a plugin hybrid not a pure EV, of course.)

Putting up with PHEV + ancient Toyota tech vs the looks takes a special person.

Re: Tesla market share in US drops to lowest since 2017

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Post by watwut »

johnnyanmac wrote: post #88
atomicnumber3 wrote: post #84

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We're putting aside the political stuff because there isn't a lot to discuss. You're either cool with it, or Tesla is completely off the table. And nobody will likely be switching camps at this point.

Can someone be cool with it but also admit that it definitely affected the market share? I can do that with Bud Weiser's trans campaign, even if I agree with it.

They had no trans campaing. There was a single short video with a single personalized can. Calling it campaign is just validating conservative lies again.

Truth is, a single trans got a can of beer with own face, made short video and rught wing decided to make it into a campaing, because trans must be destroyed. That is it.

Re: Tesla market share in US drops to lowest since 2017

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Post by tw04 »

guywithahat wrote: post #156
tw04 wrote: post #17

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You can only cut costs so much before you're selling the equivalent of a $50k geo metro. When they removed the center horn and the stalks from their cars, they officially jumped the shark. But I bet they saved at least $50 per car from their costs. I still can't believe the NHTSA hasn't issued a recall.

My new Y still has a horn and stock? And while everyone wishes their car was cheaper it was a lot nicer than a mustang Mach e, despite being cheaper

> it was a lot nicer than a mustang Mach e

Having owned both, I’m not even sure where to begin with how laughably inaccurate that is. We can start at functioning automatic wipers, 360 degree cameras, parking assist that actually works, a knob to control stereo volume, accurate marketing numbers for range, a dealership network that actually will fix the issue, insurance that isn’t insane, headlight brights that actually dim at an appropriate distance for oncoming traffic, cruise control that doesn’t phantom brake (slam on the brakes for no reason) traveling down the highway…

Need I continue? Because I can.

Re: Tesla market share in US drops to lowest since 2017

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Post by akmarinov »

So if you don’t look at the Cybertruck, which basically can’t be sold outside North America, they haven’t had a new vehicle in 5 years.

If you look at the existing vehicles:

- they no longer sell Model S and X in Europe and right hand markets

- Model S has had one external visual change since it was introduced, Model X has never had one

- the refreshed Model 3 and Y don’t really have any battery or charging improvements, last time they updated those was 8 years ago

- no V2L like others

- no increased battery capacity

- no 800V on anything outside CT

- Tesla’s charging curves compared to others are laughable

- no increased creature comforts, eg massaging seats, screens for passenger, air suspension, automated frunk, 360 view, etc

- no FSD worldwide

- Autopilot hasn’t seen an update in years

- park assist is horrible compared to USS

The market has really caught up and in a lot of places outpaced Tesla - Rivian, Audi, Polestar, Volvo, Hyundai, KIA have better products

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