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Re: Signal Secure Backups

#201

This seems to be an unfortunate case where a feature has a misleading name. You already had secure and encrypted backups on your phone, which you could copy and restore, if you remembered to copy them, and write down a very long password. The new feature is apparently a way for signal to sell cloud services. I do think cloud based backups are very useful for less technical people. But it does not really matter if you…

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Re: Signal Secure Backups

#202
post #128

@Signal devs: any reason that the only two options for backup are now "locally" (flexible, but only solves for some use-cases) or "to Signal's special servers" ( not flexible; might be legally impossible for many users to enable)? Because it seems to me that, for much of Signal's (often paranoid) audience, they'd much rather use one of the backup/sync providers they've already verified trust of, than have to addition…

Note that in all cases, Signal could/should still fully encrypt this data before pushing it to the provider; the backup wouldn't be expected to be "legible" to the user.

That seems like an unhelpful limitation for a lot of people. For me - and as far as I know literally everyone I communicate with using Signal - the reason to use it is the E2EE for the messages. Once we have the messages or media on our own devices we're fine with having control over them ourselves. By all means also provide an option to create a secured archive for those who want it. But as long as the data can only be read using a specific app on a specific device then whatever you're creating isn't really a backup for a lot of practical purposes.

Re: Signal Secure Backups

#203

This seems to be an unfortunate case where a feature has a misleading name. You already had secure and encrypted backups on your phone, which you could copy and restore, if you remembered to copy them, and write down a very long password. The new feature is apparently a way for signal to sell cloud services. I do think cloud based backups are very useful for less technical people. But it does not really matter if you…

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I believe this service works no differently. Lose that passphrase, lose everything.

Re: Signal Secure Backups

#204
post #139

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Device queues need to expire at some point. At that point you aren’t “linked” anymore. What do you want them to do instead?

Well if somebody has a year of messages backed up on Signal's servers (with this new feature), and one of their linked devices gets turned on after two months of being turned off, they could surely pull the messages from the backup rather than from the normal queue but do it seemlessly so that from a user point of view the device just never got unlinked? Without backups it makes sense to have a limit, like you said (…

Hi there, Signal dev here. While we won't do this for you automatically, any time you link a new secondary device, we give the user the option to transfer their message history. It follows the same rules as backups: last 45 days of media for free, or all of it if you're a paid user. And even if you're not a paid user, you can request individual attachments be transferred from your primary device.

One caveat is that we don't offer this if you're re-linking an install that already has data but became unlinked. This is because we don't currently handle merging message histories. But if you cleared the data from the secondary install first, it would work. We're thinking of ways to make this smoother!

Re: Signal Secure Backups

#205

This seems to be an unfortunate case where a feature has a misleading name. You already had secure and encrypted backups on your phone, which you could copy and restore, if you remembered to copy them, and write down a very long password. The new feature is apparently a way for signal to sell cloud services. I do think cloud based backups are very useful for less technical people. But it does not really matter if you…

> You already had secure and encrypted backups on your phone, which you could copy and restore, if you remembered to copy them, and write down a very long password.

Did I? Where? on iOS I don't.

Edit: there is a transfer to a new phone thing, but that only works if the old phone still works. Which makes it not a backup (it's a transfer).

Re: Signal Secure Backups

#206

This seems to be an unfortunate case where a feature has a misleading name. You already had secure and encrypted backups on your phone, which you could copy and restore, if you remembered to copy them, and write down a very long password. The new feature is apparently a way for signal to sell cloud services. I do think cloud based backups are very useful for less technical people. But it does not really matter if you…

> if you remembered to copy them, and write down a very long password

All that BEFORE your phone was stolen/damaged.

Re: Signal Secure Backups

#207

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fork that will work perfectly until year after next.

Why?

Presumably they're referring to Google's plans to roll out developer signing requirements for all apps[1], which will affect F-Droid-installed apps.

[1]: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=45017028

Re: Signal Secure Backups

#208

This seems to be an unfortunate case where a feature has a misleading name. You already had secure and encrypted backups on your phone, which you could copy and restore, if you remembered to copy them, and write down a very long password. The new feature is apparently a way for signal to sell cloud services. I do think cloud based backups are very useful for less technical people. But it does not really matter if you…

Come on, $2/month is nothing, and doubtful would raise much of “revenue “. That’s a coffee a month.

Re: Signal Secure Backups

#209
post #121

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Hi there, Signal dev here. You can sort of do this! You can restore on your new device, and while you will be unregistered on your old device, all of the data is still there. So if you see that something is amiss on the new device, you could re-register on your old device and you'd be right back where you started. This is actually one of the ways we test the feature with our own personal data.

Multi-device would be a nice feature. And question: Will a backup taken today on Androis be able to be restored on iOS once released?

See https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=45171576.

Re: Signal Secure Backups

#210

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On Linux KDE connect can mount your phones filesystem as FUSE filesystem and then you can use desktop file explorer like dolphin. It's even integrated and automatically apears as an option. Quite convenient, I would say. Performance is pretty good too.

Any Linux desktop can do that via MTP (Google doesn't allow access as mass storage anymore)

Maybe it's just me but doing a big transfer over cable is a crapshot since it will disconnect midtransfer. KDE connect is a bit better but syncthing is the best solution still.
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