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Re: Updates to Consumer Terms and Privacy Policy

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Post by giancarlostoro »

Aurornis wrote: post #195

Why are we linking to Perplexity.ai AI-generated slop summaries of other news articles instead of the actual announcement? Reading the actual announcement is more clear : https://www.anthropic.com/news/updates-to-our-consumer-terms Some important points: An in-app notification pop-up will alert you to the change. You can opt out in the pop up. I was able to opt out right now by going to the Privacy section of Setting…

As long as you can opt-out it doesn't bother me much. Though it does make me wonder those third party clients that people subscribe to e.g. JetBrains AI, Zed, and others that use Claude and other Anthropic models, do they opt-in for you? Because that would be bad.

I would strongly argue that API clients should NEVER be opted in for these sorts of things, and it should be like this industry wide.

Re: Updates to Consumer Terms and Privacy Policy

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Post by Aurornis »

I_am_tiberius wrote: post #18

In my opinion, training models on user data without their real consent (real consent = e.g. the user must sign a contract or so, so he's definitely aware), should be considered a serious criminal offense.

From the actual source ( https://www.anthropic.com/news/updates-to-our-consumer-terms ) they’re going to show a pop-up with the terms change. I triggered it now by going to the Privacy settings page and reviewing the new terms.

It’s quite clear. It’s easy to opt out. They’re making everyone go through it.

It doesn’t reach your threshold of having everyone sign a contract or something, but then again no other online service makes people sign contracts.

> should be considered a serious criminal offense.

On what grounds? They’re showing people the terms. It’s clear enough. People have to accept the terms. We’ve all been accepting terms for software and signing up for things online for decades.

Re: Updates to Consumer Terms and Privacy Policy

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Post by Aurornis »

giancarlostoro wrote: post #201
Aurornis wrote: post #195

Why are we linking to Perplexity.ai AI-generated slop summaries of other news articles instead of the actual announcement? Reading the actual announcement is more clear : https://www.anthropic.com/news/updates-to-our-consumer-terms Some important points: An in-app notification pop-up will alert you to the change. You can opt out in the pop up. I was able to opt out right now by going to the Privacy section of Setting…

As long as you can opt-out it doesn't bother me much. Though it does make me wonder those third party clients that people subscribe to e.g. JetBrains AI, Zed, and others that use Claude and other Anthropic models, do they opt-in for you? Because that would be bad. I would strongly argue that API clients should NEVER be opted in for these sorts of things, and it should be like this industry wide.

That’s also explained. It’s excluded:

> They do not apply to services under our Commercial Terms, including Claude for Work, Claude Gov, Claude for Education, or API use, including via third parties such as Amazon Bedrock and Google Cloud’s Vertex AI.

I’ll edit my comment above to include this too

Re: Updates to Consumer Terms and Privacy Policy

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Post by currymj »

i found the ToS change to be surprisingly not a dark pattern.

in fact, i haven’t agreed to it yet, and was able to close the popup and continue using Claude. they also made it extremely clear how to opt out, providing the switch right in the popup and reminding me it’s also in settings.

when i eventually do have to agree to the ToS changes, i’ll probably just stay opted out.

Re: Updates to Consumer Terms and Privacy Policy

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Post by chamomeal »

__MatrixMan__ wrote: post #127
jsheard wrote: post #41

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why single out user data specifically? Most of the data Anthropic and co train on was just scooped up from wherever with zero consent, not even the courtesy of a buried TOS clause, and their users were always implicitly fine with that. Forgive me for not having much sympathy when the users end up reaping what they've sown.

Publishing something is considered by most to be sufficient consent for it to be not considered private. I realize there's a whole legal quagmire here involved with intellectual "property" and what counts as "derivative work", but that's a whole separate (and dubiously useful) part of the law.

That is definitely normally true but I feel like the scale and LLM usage turns it into a different problem.

If you can use all of the content of stack overflow to create a “derivative work” that replaces stack overflow, and causes it to lose tons of revenue, is it really a derivative work?

I’m pretty sure solution sites like chegg don’t include the actual questions for that reason. The solutions to the questions are derivative, but the questions aren’t.

Re: Updates to Consumer Terms and Privacy Policy

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Post by mac-attack »

javierluraschi wrote: post #133
episteme wrote: post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What will you use instead? I’m finding Claude the best experience since ChatGPT 5 is so slow and not any better answers than 4.

https://grok.com

What sane person would downgrade to Grok

Re: Updates to Consumer Terms and Privacy Policy

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Post by AlexeyBrin »

pyrophane wrote: post #200

Can anyone recommend an alternative that doesn't train on user data?

If you want to be 100% sure you need to run/use a local LLM.

Also it seems that this data retention/training does not apply to the API.

I think both Anthropic and OpenAI do not train on enterprise data, so an enterprise account maybe.

Re: Updates to Consumer Terms and Privacy Policy

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Post by [deleted] »

Aurornis wrote: post #195

Why are we linking to Perplexity.ai AI-generated slop summaries of other news articles instead of the actual announcement? Reading the actual announcement is more clear : https://www.anthropic.com/news/updates-to-our-consumer-terms Some important points: An in-app notification pop-up will alert you to the change. You can opt out in the pop up. I was able to opt out right now by going to the Privacy section of Setting…

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