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Same thing as with em dashes. Some of us have been using em dashes from before ChatGPT.
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Do you really not know any hopeless nerds? What are you doing on HN?
Researchers find evidence of ChatGPT buzzwords turning up in everyday speech
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Genuine question, do you actually use the formal emdash in your writing? AIs are very consistent about using the proper emdash—a double long dash with no spaces around it, whereas humans almost always tend to use a slang version - a single dash with spaces around it. That's because most keyboards don't have an emdash key, and few people even know how to produce an actual emdash. That's what makes it such a good givea…
if very few humans use it, how did AI learn to use it since it was trained on mostly human writing?
Professional writers and editors use it.
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My company currently has a guideline that includes “therefore” and similar words as an example of literary language we should avoid using, as it makes the reader think it’s AI. It really made me uneasy, to think that formal communication might start getting side looks.
Whenever there are commonly agreed upon and known tell-tale signs of AI writing, the model creators can just retrain to eliminate those cues. On an individual level, you can also try to put it in your personalization prompt what turns of phrase to avoid (but central retraining is better). This will be a cat and mouse game. Content factories will want models that don't create suspicious output, and the reading public…
> Whenever there are commonly agreed upon and known tell-tale signs of AI writing
It's been two years now since such commonly agreed upon signs appeared yet by and large they're still just as present to this day.
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#205"Recent large-scale upticks in the use of words like “delve” and “intricate” in certain fields, especially education and academic writing, are attributed to the widespread introduction of LLMs with a chat function, like ChatGPT, that overuses those buzzwords." OK, but please don't do what pg did a year or so ago and dismiss anyone who wrote "delve" as AI writing. I've been using "delve" in speech for 15+ years. It's…
Same thing as with em dashes. Some of us have been using em dashes from before ChatGPT.
I picked up emdash from quora, back when it used to have good writers.
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Sure, if you're learning to write and want lots of examples of a particular style, LLMs can generate that for you. Just don't assume that is a normal writing style, or that it matches a particular genre (say, workplace communication, or academic writing, or whatever). Our experience ( https://arxiv.org/abs/2410.16107 ) is that LLMs like GPT-4o have a particular writing style, including both vocabulary and distinct gr…
Go vibe check Kimi-K2. One of the weirdest models out there now, and it's open weights - with both "base" and "instruct" versions available. The language it uses is peculiar. It's like the entire model is a little bit ESL. I suspect that this pattern comes from SFT and RLHF, not the optimizer or the base architecture or the pre-training dataset choices, and the base model itself would perform much more "in line" with…
Kimi tends to be very.. casual from my usage, like informal millenial style, without being prompted to do so.
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#207I intentionally put spelling mistakes in my doc to let others know I'm not using ChatGPT. What a time to be alive in which small spelling or grammar mistake is a good sign of authenticity.
You can actually just ask ChatGPT to do that. Just say throw in some spelling mistakes, make some nouns all lowercase and double space after some periods etc.
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> I would write comments in a supposedly anonymous survey like “He ist like…” to camouflage myself as german Do actual Germans ever make that kind of mistake though? I’ve only ever seen “ist” used “wrongly” in that particular way by English speakers, for example in a blog post title that they want to remain completely legible to other English speakers while also trying to make it look like something German as a refer…
I agree, the GP should at the end of the sentence the second verb insert.
They should just mix up some "what"s with "how"s.
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I tried but chatGPT either makes too many mistakes making me look stupid or completely ignore my prompt.
I asked Gemini flash for a 200-word paragraph on a random topic, which most people would confidently classify as LLM-generated. It produced a verbose, big-worded, third-person slop about the concept of time that IMO fulfilled my prompt (although a phillosopher firnd of mine would be a strong contestant). > The concept of "time" is a multifaceted and complex topic that has captivated philosophers, physicists, and ever…
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Genuine question, do you actually use the formal emdash in your writing? AIs are very consistent about using the proper emdash—a double long dash with no spaces around it, whereas humans almost always tend to use a slang version - a single dash with spaces around it. That's because most keyboards don't have an emdash key, and few people even know how to produce an actual emdash. That's what makes it such a good givea…
if very few humans use it, how did AI learn to use it since it was trained on mostly human writing?
The same way it learned to act like a personal assistant, even though very few humans are personal assistants.
The LLM is first trained as an extreneley large Markov model predicting text scraped from the entire Internet. Ideally, a well trained such Markov model would use em dashes approximately as frequently as they appear in real texts.
But that model is not the LLM you actually interact with. The LLM you interact with is trained by somethig called Reinforcement Learning from Human Feedback, which involves people reading, rating and editing its responses, biasing the outputs and giving the model a "persona".
That persona is the actual LLM you interact with. Since em dash usage was rated highly by the people providing the feedback, the persona learned to use it much more frequently.