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Re: The GitHub website is slow on Safari

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Post by sleepybrett »

bob1029 wrote: post #15
PedroBatista wrote: post #11

The Github website is slow everywhere. It is truly a piece of shit software both in terms of performance but also UX/UI and everything in between. It's a product of many cooks and their brilliant ideas and KPIs, a social network for devs and code being the most "brilliant" of them all. For day to day dev operations is something so mediocre even Gitlab looks like the golden standard compared to Github. And no, the pro…

> And no, the problem is not "Rails" The problem is they abandoned rails for react. The old SSR GitHub experience was very good. You could review massive PRs on any machine before they made the move.

The problem is that they deprioritized everything for more copilot bullshit.

Re: The GitHub website is slow on Safari

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Post by bapak »

adithyassekhar wrote: post #95

This thread has really opened my eyes to how much the world hates react developers, I am one. Unrealistic timelines, implementing what should be backend logic in frontend, there's a bunch of ways SPA's tend to be a trap. Was react a bad idea? Can anyone point to a single well made react app?

After having worked on React for a while, I can tell you that the problem remains between monitor and chair.

React can have all the niceties and optimization in the world, but that fails when its users insist on using it incorrectly, building huge tangled messy components and then wondering why a click takes 1.3 seconds to deliver feedback.

Re: The GitHub website is slow on Safari

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Post by lowwave »

mrbombastic wrote: post #143
slt2021 wrote: post #116

Earlier quoted context omitted.

the problem is developers having fast modern machines. if they were forced to use slow machines, they would not be able to put out crap like that

M4 macbook pro and almost unusably slow

Ah the wonders of SPA! I know there are lighter ones, but it is not the first time hearing things like React being slow. Of course, when one start to do sntax highlighting on the client side....

Re: The GitHub website is slow on Safari

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Post by Zanfa »

disgruntledphd2 wrote: post #123
AndreasHae wrote: post #100

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The hate is more geared towards SPAs in general, but there are some shining examples that show that a well-made React/Angular/whatever app can have great UX - Clockify being one of them. I don’t think the culprit apps would have substantially better UX if they were rendered on the server, because these issues tend to be a consequence of devs being pressured to rapidly release new features without regard to quality.

And to be fair, the problems that Facebook had when they introduced React are not common problems at all. As an aside, I was an employee around then and I vividly remember that the next half there was a topline goal to improve web speed. Hmmmm, I wonder what could have happened?

> And to be fair, the problems that Facebook had when they introduced React are not common problems at all.

That’s one of my favorites. The exact bug they described during React launch presentation, that React was supposed to help fix with the unidirectional dataflow. You know the one where unread message badges were showing up inconsistently in the UI in different places. They never managed to fix that bug in the 10 years since React was announced and I eventually left Facebook for good.

Re: The GitHub website is slow on Safari

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Post by 1vuio0pswjnm7 »

1vuio0pswjnm7 wrote: post #166
PedroBatista wrote: post #11

The Github website is slow everywhere. It is truly a piece of shit software both in terms of performance but also UX/UI and everything in between. It's a product of many cooks and their brilliant ideas and KPIs, a social network for devs and code being the most "brilliant" of them all. For day to day dev operations is something so mediocre even Gitlab looks like the golden standard compared to Github. And no, the pro…

"The Github website is slow everywhere." Perhaps it depends what software one is using For example, commandline search and tarball/zipball retrieval from the website, e.g., github.com, raw.githubusercontent.com and codeload.github.com, are not slow for me, certainly not any slower than Gitlab I do not use a browser nor do I use the git software

As with any website, the HTML provides a guide to the location (URI) of resources some httpd is serving. Generally, I am not after Javascript, CSS, or other non-substantive "resources". I only want the HTML or JSON and any susbstantive resources pointed to therein

I use the Github website as I would any software mirror/repository

I'm not interested in images (mascots or other garbage) or executing code (gratuitous Javascript) when using the Github website, I'm interested in reading and downloading source code

Re: The GitHub website is slow on Safari

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Post by can16358p »

slt2021 wrote: post #116
Zanfa wrote: post #90

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I’m pretty sure they used to do syntax highlighting on the server before and it was fast. Now they send down unhighlighted text that seems to choke the browser with anything but the smallest diffs.

the problem is developers having fast modern machines. if they were forced to use slow machines, they would not be able to put out crap like that

While I agree about devs should be testing on slow devices, the particular target audience of the site generally have pretty decent machines (including two that I have) and there isn't much reason for the site lag. It's not really doing any 3D rendering with complex shaders or video filtering; it just shows changed lines in two files. That shouldn't lag.

Re: The GitHub website is slow on Safari

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Post by dwaite »

forgotmypw17 wrote: post #171
dylan604 wrote: post #104

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> on my 2011 Mac Mini which Apple stopped allowing upgrades on past macOS 10.13 I know some people feel like Apple is aggressive in this respect, but that's an 8 year old version of a browser. That's like taking off all of the locks on your house, leaving the doors and windows open all while expecting your house to never have uninvited guests.

> That's like taking off all of the locks on your house, leaving the doors and windows open all while expecting your house to never have uninvited guests. Depending on where you live (or what websites you visit) it's not unreasonable.

Attacks via ad networks mean that is likely limited more than people would expect.

Re: The GitHub website is slow on Safari

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Post by arresin »

kccqzy wrote: post #120
adithyassekhar wrote: post #95

This thread has really opened my eyes to how much the world hates react developers, I am one. Unrealistic timelines, implementing what should be backend logic in frontend, there's a bunch of ways SPA's tend to be a trap. Was react a bad idea? Can anyone point to a single well made react app?

React was not a bad idea. SPA's tend to be a bad idea. React is just a tool to make SPA's easier to write.

React is a terrible idea. Everything about it is garbage. The api. State. How they do rendering. The “vdom”. It’s unnecessarily complicated and Byzantine. Like it was designed by someone trying to bill a large company many hours.

Svelte is ok. It could have been great but the api for their version of observables is a disaster (which I hope they eventually fix). Sveltekit is half baked and convoluted and I strongly advise not touching it.

Re: The GitHub website is slow on Safari

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Post by bjclark »

PedroBatista wrote: post #11

The Github website is slow everywhere. It is truly a piece of shit software both in terms of performance but also UX/UI and everything in between. It's a product of many cooks and their brilliant ideas and KPIs, a social network for devs and code being the most "brilliant" of them all. For day to day dev operations is something so mediocre even Gitlab looks like the golden standard compared to Github. And no, the pro…

Have you used gitlab every day in anger? I don't think you'd feel the same if you have.
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