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AI coding made me faster, but I can't code to music anymore

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Re: AI coding made me faster, but I can't code to music anymore

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Post by zdragnar »

latexr wrote: post #36
foo42 wrote: post #30

The tradeoff of higher velocity for less enjoyment may feel less welcome when it becomes the new baseline and the expectation of employers / customers. The excitement of getting a day's work done in an hour* (for example) is likely to fade once the expectation is to produce 8 of such old-days output per day. I suspect it doesn't matter how we feel about it mind you. If it's going to happen it will, whether we enjoy t…

> The excitement of getting a day's work done in an hour* (for example) is likely to fade once the expectation is to produce 8 of such old-days output per day. That dumb attitude (which I understand you’re criticising) of “more more more” always reminds me of Lenny from the Simpsons moving fast through the yellow light, with nowhere to go. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QR10t-B9nYY > I suspect it doesn't matter how…

> “more more more”

If you're a salaried or hourly employee, you aren't paid for your output, you are paid for your time, with minimum expectations of productivity.

If you complete all your work in an hour... you still owe seven hours based on the expectations of your employment agreement, in order to earn your salary and benefits.

If you'd rather work in an output based capacity, you'll want to move to running your own contacting business in a fixed-bid type capacity.

Re: AI coding made me faster, but I can't code to music anymore

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Post by gibagger »

nullandvoid wrote: post #158
gibagger wrote: post #145

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A low quality fabric makes the fashion police come and arrest you. Low quality software kills people.

Safety critical (will kill someone if not bug free) code makes up Both will stay manual / require high level of review they're not what's being disrupted (at-least in near term) - it's the rest.

There are many corporate nightmare level scenarios out there. There is no need to reach loss of life situations to make my point.

A large enough GDPR or SOX violation is the boogeyman that CEO's see in their nightmares.

Re: AI coding made me faster, but I can't code to music anymore

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Post by skydhash »

bogtog wrote: post #160
sfn42 wrote: post #97

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I just think it's distracting. I get caught up listening to the lyrics and kind of mentally singing along, stuff like that which disrupts my thought and distracts from what I actually want to be thinking about. I think this is individual, I have the same problem in social settings - if I'm having a conversation and a song I like is playing in the background I some times stop listening to the conversation and focus on…

Same here on all fronts about distractions. I can't tell whether when people talk about listening to music while working/studying: (1) they mean music with no lyrics, (2) they are unserious and okay with their work being constantly interrupted, or (3) they can resist thinking about the lyrics. Some work may allow for seamless pivoting between work vs. enjoyable distraction, e.g., a clerk, but I often hear about peopl…

The work is not always to implement some complicated algorithm. Sometimes it is just routine work. There's already so much noise outside so having the music give something for the brain to latch on instead of having to react to all those other stimulus. For me it's a playlist that I know very well, which then becomes background noise.

Re: AI coding made me faster, but I can't code to music anymore

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Post by skydhash »

theshrike79 wrote: post #86
rimunroe wrote: post #85

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> To be more exact, 90% of the _code_ I write is mostly just different types of API glue I assumed you were only talking about the actual code. It still seems really odd. Why is there so much unavoidable boilerplate?

Because I need to have a controller that does CRUD operations. It has a specific amount of code I need to write just to add the basic boilerplate of receiving the data and returning a result from the endpoint before I can get to the meat of it. IIRC there are no languages where I can just open an empty file and write "put: " and it magically knows how to handle everything correctly.

That's why we have snippets and code generators for those. And even in the absence of that, I usually copy code from some other place and gut it out to make place for the new logic. This can be done in 30 seconds or less if the code is organized.

> IIRC there are no languages where I can just open an empty file and write "put: " and it magically knows how to handle everything correctly.

Are you sure it's done correctly? Take something like timestamps, or validations: It's easy to get those wrongs.

Re: AI coding made me faster, but I can't code to music anymore

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Post by tehjoker »

bigfudge wrote: post #133
latexr wrote: post #36

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> The excitement of getting a day's work done in an hour* (for example) is likely to fade once the expectation is to produce 8 of such old-days output per day. That dumb attitude (which I understand you’re criticising) of “more more more” always reminds me of Lenny from the Simpsons moving fast through the yellow light, with nowhere to go. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QR10t-B9nYY > I suspect it doesn't matter how…

> That is quite the defeatist attitude. Society becoming shittier isn’t inevitable, though inaction and giving up certainly helps that along. This feels like kicking someone when they’re down! Given the current state of corporate and political America, it doesn’t look likely there will be any pressure for anything but enshittification to me. Telling people at the coal face to stay cheerful seems unlikely to help. Wha…

Unionization. Work speed-ups are a classic management assault on the working man.

Re: AI coding made me faster, but I can't code to music anymore

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Post by codr7 »

hudon wrote: post #178
codr7 wrote: post #121

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Yes, but they still filled their purpose. AI slop code doesn't even work beyond toy examples.

After the operating system and the spreadsheet, most software is toys.

That isn't even close to true; we've based more or less our entire society on software, and it's getting worse every day.

Re: AI coding made me faster, but I can't code to music anymore

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Post by ModernMech »

griffiths wrote: post #159
bluefirebrand wrote: post #110

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My cushy software job has burned me out so badly that I am on medical leave with massive memory problems and a bit of concern about my heart So I mean... Yeah Is software more comfortable generally than many other lines of work? Yes probably Is it always soft and cushy? No, not at all. It is often high pressure and high stress

What kind of massive memory problems? I might have this but didn't think to attribute it to burnout.

When I burned out I experienced skill regression and short term memory loss. Like, an inability to remember specific events of the day before, inability to perform skills I had done for decades like play an instrument. Took over a year to stabilize and return to normal.

Re: AI coding made me faster, but I can't code to music anymore

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Post by skydhash »

bluefirebrand wrote: post #123
sfn42 wrote: post #98

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I think there are (at least) two types of programmer - I am the kind of programmer who wants everything done right. Others don't care as long as it works and the boss is happy. I suspect that the type of programmer who enjoys vibe coding is the latter. For me it's pretty tiring to explain everything in excruciating detail, it's often easier to just write the code myself rather than explain in English how to write it.…

I suspect the difference lies in people who think in code versus people who translate their thoughts into code I think in code and programming concepts when I am writing software . I don't really know how to explain that, but I don't often feel like there is any friction between my thoughts and the code I make I think that many coders do not have this. They have an extra "translation" step that introduces friction in…

Another datapoint of one.

It's not really that I think in code. It's more like code is as much as a language to me as writing english, or holding the pencil to draw something. I got a change request, or I read something from the docs, and the the mental concept I have realign itself to the new knowledge. Getting code out is always effortless. There's no difference between

  return the list of names of all the books that have the fantasy tag
And

  return books.filter(b -> b.tags.contains('fantasy')).map(b -> b.name)
If I can describe something, I can code it.
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