I'm happy to answer questions around the new product.
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Framework Laptop 16
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Re: Framework Laptop 16
#202Anyone using Framework for a daily driver that can compare to an M-series Macbook? Specifically, battery life on your OS. Does anything compare to a MBP these days? From a value proposition, it seems good. Our group definitely goes through keyboards and mainboards from spilled tea at least annually it seems, but AppleCare is just a no-brainer, and away we go. I still drive on my original M1 at home without complaint,…
I regularly use an M4 and a Framework 13. There's really no comparison in terms of battery life and performance (even compared to the M1 which I also used extensively). Having said that, Framework 13 is a good machine for Linux. My only complaints is battery life could be better, and I don't like the trackpad.
Re: Framework Laptop 16
#203Earlier quoted context omitted.
The problem your overlooking is not just the upgrade vs new cost, but also the parts issue. Buying a brand new Framework tend to be more expensive then a ~ Chinese Laptop. *New vs Upgrade* In general, you can sell a second hand laptop at around 50% of the original price, about 2 years down the line (assuming you did not damage it). So a new upgrade will be 50% cheaper. For that you tend to get (depending on the gener…
Framework is also for linux users who want some assurance everything will work.
+1 on this... I keep saying, I wish that System76 could work with Framework to sell a model with PopOS preinstalled and supported by System76. I'd pay an extra $200 just for that, not that everyone would be willing to pay extra since Framework is already at a bit of a price premium. Most other Linux vendors (Tuxedo, Slimbook, etc) seem to be mostly EU centered and based, which is a bit of a negative if you're in the US.
Re: Framework Laptop 16
#204Earlier quoted context omitted.
I have bad news for you: https://www.lenovo.com/us/en/p/laptops/thinkpad/thinkpadp/th... Someone should scoop up the niche market of anguished ThinkPad devotees, with a TrackPoint and a good, non-chiclet keyboard. Maybe Framework, leveraging its modular system. Maybe a Framework-compatible third-party.
Why have a trackpoint if there are no buttons? Dafuq?
I think you're supposed to touch the touchpad in particular ways with your thumb, while using your index finger on the TrackPoint stick.
I wonder what the set intersection is, between people who want TrackPoint sticks, and people who don't want TrackPoint buttons.
ThinkPad industrial design the last several years seems focused on looking thin and sleek -- like an Apple product, only in matte black, with a red accent in the middle of the keyboard -- but some of the human factors changes aren't intuitive to me.
Re: Framework Laptop 16
#205> The Framework Laptop 16 is designed with Linux in mind Weird phrasing. The #1 rule if you're getting hardware to run Linux is: don't by Nvidia.
You can also get an AMD RX 7700S module instead
Not to mention, the integrated GPU is decent for casual use as well. Though you probably want to run a distro that will get a 6.16+ kernel update sooner than later for improved support of the "AI" models.
Re: Framework Laptop 16
#206Will Framework ever ship high-end laptops, or is the niche always going to be low-to-mid spec repairable? The specification targets on them are always chronically low.
It would be nice to see a 5070 Ti, 5080, or even Quadro-grade RTX 5000 ADA for graphics-oriented workloads. I'm not sure the type-c (200-230w) would be sufficient to run these cards at their reccomended TGP (150w) + CPU (50w) + charge - not that most 16" productivity-oriented notebooks do (70-115W).
They could run in lower power mode(s)... Given the power/cooling requirements for the module, I'm not sure they'd perform much better than the 5070 option already there. Another comment mentioned the 5070 is configured to run at 100W.
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#207Kinda wish you guys didn't have an Nvidia product at all. It's only really useful for Windows users, but openly hostile and offensive to Linux desktop users.
Virtually all AI training is done on Linux with Nvidia hardware. In the desktop space, I've run Linux with Nvidia for many, many years. It's utter nonsense to claim that Nvidia isn't useful on Linux.
This is a fair take, part of why I was disappointed the 5070 module only has 8gb instead of 16gb.
Re: Framework Laptop 16
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How does that work? You've got to tap the touchpad to trigger the initial click, don't you? For some reason, I really HATE tapping a touchpad (let that be an Apple or otherwise), it breaks my flow, I suppose? (like, you have to pause at the cursor's location, lift, tap twice to initiate a dragging event, then finally move on) whereas on the ThinkPad I daily drive I do all the cursor movement/scrolling with my right h…
You click and drag with one finger and you are free to scroll with two other fingers during the drag. It is a multitouch gesture. (I don't use "tap to click" since I always found it cumbersome)
Just for me to understand, you navigate to that thing you want to drag, then press harder (without the double-tap+move in short sequence, do there's that), and that registers a drag event?
Could you do the "press harder" part with, e.g. a thumb in an other region of the touchpad instead of the finger that did the navigation?
Re: Framework Laptop 16
#209Kinda wish you guys didn't have an Nvidia product at all. It's only really useful for Windows users, but openly hostile and offensive to Linux desktop users.
Framework purchasers != Linux users
TBF, almost everyone I know who is considering Framework intends to run Linux on it. It's far less of a crapshoot compared to other vendors/models.
Re: Framework Laptop 16
#210Will Framework ever ship high-end laptops, or is the niche always going to be low-to-mid spec repairable? The specification targets on them are always chronically low.
What do you mean by high end? The Framework 13 can be configured with an AMD AI 370 (12 cores/24 threads zen5), a 2.8k 120 hz display, 96GB of ram and an 8TB SSD. That seems pretty high end to me?
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