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A chill ran down my spine as I imagined this being applied to the written word online: my articles being automatically "corrected" or "improved" the moment I hit publish, any book manuscripts being sent to editors being similarly "polished" to a point that we humans start to lose our unique tone and everything we read falls into that strange uncanny valley where everything reads ok, you can't quite put your finger on…

My guess is that guys being replaced by the steam shovel said the same thing about the quality of holes being dug into the ground. "No machine is ever going to be able to dig a hole as lovingly or as accurately as a man with a shovel". "The digging machines consume way too much energy" etc. I'm pretty sure all the hand wringing about A.I. is going to fade into the past in the same way as every other strand of technop…

Reading leads to the actual thoughts in our brains. It's a form of self programming. So yeah, it's OK for people to care about what they consume.

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How does that remove them?

do you feel a need to stop other people doing things you personally don't like?

Yes. That’s the basis of literally every law and regulation known to man.

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Everything has to be produced on an assembly line. No mistakes allowed. Especially creativity. /s

the /s is sarcastic right? Artisanal creativity isn't efficient enough.

you realize how ridiculous this is, in some ways, since a "master copy" of anything that is reproduced, is just like reproducing a machine-stamped master copy.. in the digital artifacts world, it is even more true

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do you feel a need to stop other people doing things you personally don't like?

Yes. That’s the basis of literally every law and regulation known to man.

thank goodness that in some countries we have the concept of a private life, where you don't have to like what we do and you can't stop it.

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A chill ran down my spine as I imagined this being applied to the written word online: my articles being automatically "corrected" or "improved" the moment I hit publish, any book manuscripts being sent to editors being similarly "polished" to a point that we humans start to lose our unique tone and everything we read falls into that strange uncanny valley where everything reads ok, you can't quite put your finger on…

"A spark of excitement ran through me imagining this applied to writing online: my articles receiving instant, supportive refinements the moment I hit publish, and manuscripts arriving to editors already thoughtfully polished—elevating clarity while letting our distinctive voices shine even brighter. The result is a consistently smooth, natural reading experience that feels confidently authentic, faithfully reflectin…

you forgot to add "tapestry"!

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ta8645 did not make an analogy, nor did they use it to support an argument. They posited that a similar series of events happen before, and predicted they will happen again.

Why, pray tell, would a similar series of events be relevant to a completely different series of events except as analogy? Let me use an extremely close analogy to illustrate: Imagine someone shot a basketball, and it didn't go into the hoop. Why would telling a story about somebody else who once shot a basketball which failed to go into the hoop be helpful or relevant?

Your extremely close analogy gets to the crux of why people are disagreeing here: It doesn’t have to be analogy. You can be pointing out an equivalence.

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A chill ran down my spine as I imagined this being applied to the written word online: my articles being automatically "corrected" or "improved" the moment I hit publish, any book manuscripts being sent to editors being similarly "polished" to a point that we humans start to lose our unique tone and everything we read falls into that strange uncanny valley where everything reads ok, you can't quite put your finger on…

The well is already poisoned. I'm refraining from hiring editors merely because I suspect there's a high chance they'll just use an LLM. All recent books I'm reading is with suspicion that they have been written by AI. However, polished to a point that we humans start to lose our unique tone is what style guides that go into the minutiae of comma placement try do do. And I'm currently reading a book I'm 100% sure has…

There's a YouTuber named Fil Henley (https://www.youtube.com/@WingsOfPegasus) who has been covering this for some years, now. Xe regularly comments on how universal application of pitch correction in post as an "industry standard" has dragged the great singers of yore down to the same level of mediocrity as everyone else.

Xe also occasionally reminds people that, equal temperament being what it is, this pitch correction is actually in a few cases making people less well in tune than they originally were.

It certainly removes unique tone. Yesterday's was a pitch corrected version of a performance by John Lennon from 1972, that definitely changed Lennon's sound.

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The well is already poisoned. I'm refraining from hiring editors merely because I suspect there's a high chance they'll just use an LLM. All recent books I'm reading is with suspicion that they have been written by AI. However, polished to a point that we humans start to lose our unique tone is what style guides that go into the minutiae of comma placement try do do. And I'm currently reading a book I'm 100% sure has…

> is what style guides that go into the minutiae of comma placement try do do Eh. There might be a tacit presumption here that correctness isn't real, or that style cannot be better or worse. I would reject this notion. After all, what if something is uniquely crap? The basic, most general purpose of writing is to communicate. Various kinds of writing have varying particular purposes. The style must be appropriate to…

I can be convinced that different spaces need different styles. But, correctness intrinsically emanating from language? That one is not an absolute, unless one happens to be a mathematician or GHC the Haskell compiler or any of the other logical automatons we have and that are so useful.

Language and music (which is a type of language) are a core of shared convention wrapped in a fuzzy liminal bark, outside of which, there is nonsense. An artist, be it a writer or a musician, is essentially somebody whose path stitches the core and the bark in their own unique way, and because those regions are established by common human consensus, the artist, by the act of using that consensus, is interacting with its group. And so is the person who enjoys the art. So, our shared conventions and what we dare call correctness are a medium for person-to-person communication, the same way that air is a medium to conduct sound or a piece of paper is a medium for a painting.

Furthermore, the core of correctness is fluid; language changes and although, at any time and place there is a central understanding of what is good style, the easy rules, such as they exist, are limited and arbitrary. For example, two different manuals of style will mandate different placements of commas. And somebody will cite a neurolinguistics study to dictate on the ordering of clauses within a sentence. For anything more complex, you need a properly trained neural network to do the grasping; be it a human editor or an LLM.

> The grammatical structure is obviously there, but at a pragmatic level, it lacks a certain cohesion, procession, and relevance that reads like something someone on amphetamines or The View might say. It's all surface.

Somebody in amphetamines is still intrinsically human, and here too we have some disagreement. I can not concede that AI’s output is always of the quality produced by a zombie, at least no more than the output of certain human editors, and at least not by looking at the language alone; otherwise it would be impossible for the AI to fool people. In fact, AI’s output is better (“more correct”) than what most people would produce if you forced them to write with a gun pointed to their head, or even with a large tax deduction.

What makes LLMs irritating is the suspicion that one is letting one’s brain engage with output from a stochastic parrot in contexts where one expects communication from a fellow human being. It’s the knowledge that, at the other end, somebody may decide to take your attention and your money dishonestly. That’s why I have no trouble paying for a ChatGPT plan—-it’s honest, I know what I get—-but hesitate to hire a human editor. Now, if I could sit at a caffe with said editor and go over their notes, then I would rather do just that.

In other words, what makes AI pernicious is not a matter of style or correctness, but that it poisons the communication medium—-it seeds doubt and distrust. That’s why people—-yours truly—-are burning manuals of style and setting shop in the bark of the communication medium, knowing that’s a place less frequented by LLMs and that there is a helpful camp filled with authoritative figures whose job of asserting absolute correctness may, perhaps, keep the LLMs in that core for a little longer.

Those are workarounds, however. It's too early to know for sure, but I think our society will need to rewrite its rules to adjust to AI. Anything from seclusion and attestation rituals for writers to a full blown Butlerian Jihad. https://w.ouzu.im/

Re: YouTube made AI enhancements to videos without warning or permission

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A chill ran down my spine as I imagined this being applied to the written word online: my articles being automatically "corrected" or "improved" the moment I hit publish, any book manuscripts being sent to editors being similarly "polished" to a point that we humans start to lose our unique tone and everything we read falls into that strange uncanny valley where everything reads ok, you can't quite put your finger on…

My guess is that guys being replaced by the steam shovel said the same thing about the quality of holes being dug into the ground. "No machine is ever going to be able to dig a hole as lovingly or as accurately as a man with a shovel". "The digging machines consume way too much energy" etc. I'm pretty sure all the hand wringing about A.I. is going to fade into the past in the same way as every other strand of technop…

there is no way you aren't able to discern the obvious differences between physical labor such as digging a hole and something as innate to human nature as creativity. you realize just how hollow a set of matrix multiplications are when you try to "talk to it" for more than 3 minutes. the whole point of language is to talk to other people and to communicate ideas to them. that is something that requires a human factor, otherwise the ideas are simply regurgitations of whatever the training set happened to contain. there are no original ideas in there. a steam shovel, on the other hand, does not need to be creative or to have human factor, it's simply digging a hole in the ground

Re: YouTube made AI enhancements to videos without warning or permission

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> "You know, YouTube is constantly working on new tools and experimenting with stuff," Beato says. "They're a best-in-class company, I've got nothing but good things to say. YouTube changed my life." My despondent brain auto-translated that to: "My livelihood depends on Youtube"

And the other day he posted about the abusive copyright claims he has to deal with that cost him a lot of money and could maybe have his channels closed.

Although xe lays the blame for those at the feet of Universal Music Group, not YouTube. Apparently, UMG simply refuses to learn from the experience of having thousands of copyright claims rejected on fair use grounds.

It's almost as if there's a mindless robot submitting the claims to YouTube. Perish the thought! (-:

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