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They will put you behind bars for years for using VPNs once they win.
Who is 'they' here?
The authoritarians locking down the internet, not sure why you need to ask
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Re: 4chan will refuse to pay daily online safety fines, lawyer tells BBC
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Does that even work anymore? I thought plain IP addresses were a thing of the past ever since we started doing virtual hosts 25 years ago. I just get a 503 when I use the address you posted...
If you just point your browser to https:// then it won't work. You also need to have the correct hostname in the http request headers. The easiest way to accomplish this is to add the address into your .hosts file (as sibling post says) and just use the name.
As well as SNI, most reverse proxies need to know which TLS cert to serve. Lower than layer 7.
Re: 4chan will refuse to pay daily online safety fines, lawyer tells BBC
#203Step 1, pass law. Step 2, demand compliance. Step 3, upon not hearing of compliance, levy fines. Step 4, upon non payment of fines, declare in breach of (2). Step 5, block site from UK using DNS, in the same manner as torrent sites etc. 5 was always the goal, 2 to 4 are largely just performative.
This is the only power they have left. The UK government has lost control of what happen in the physical world on their own island so now the bureaucrats play a fantasy game where they are gonna enforce their rules and dominion in their former colonies or the digital world.
This is part of a wider trend of trying to solve real world problems with the stroke of a pen. It’s not going well.
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#204Earlier quoted context omitted.
> Blaming bureaucrats is not helpful. Bureaucrats are the ones making the rules of the game we have to play. So why shouldn't we blame them?
Chain of events is the lobbyists write the policies that are handed to the politicians who vote them in, then to the bureaucrats to execute them. But the lobbyists work for the rich and the power. They are ultimately the chefs and ones who decide what the rules will be.
You are correct. But I don't see how we can fix this. Revolutions or rioting, is not the right idea either.
A successful and well functioning democracy requires constant monitoring, involvement and pressure from citizens to hold it accountable, otherwise it gets captured by monopolies and malicious actors with money, who will steer politics in their favor instead of the citizens' favor.
The problem with that is that most citizens today are too burdened by the cost of living and sorting their own lives to have time and energy for political activism. The only ones who do are retired boomers and they only care that their pensions and house prices are going up.
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While I disapprove of what the gov is doing here, I think it’s incorrect and unhelpful to put all the blame on them. AIUI, the UK is a democracy and these policies are generally supported by the voters.
> AIUI, the UK is a democracy The House of Lords disagrees and the Monarch disagree. Sometimes they cosplay as a democracy.
Neither the House of Lords or the Monarch can actually stop Parliament passing a law. They can in some cases slow them down, but if Parliament really wants a law passed it will happen.
Re: 4chan will refuse to pay daily online safety fines, lawyer tells BBC
#206Ofcom's only card now is to have UK ISPs block 4chan. When that happens will Starlink comply? maybe. what if they block X? could get messy fast.
I'd be totally un-shocked if the UK criminalized Starlink (over OSA or otherwise), in part because they've already criminalized it before, in some of their territories[0,1]. [0] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42979869 ( "Starlink in the Falkland Islands – A national emergency situation? (openfalklands.com)" —225 comments) [1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=37645945 ( "Saint Helena Island Communications (s…
That barely got covered in the UK news, but if wealthy rural people (who don't have good wired or cellular internet) get told their Starlink is getting banned it will be much more newsworthy.
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#207Earlier quoted context omitted.
This is the only power they have left. The UK government has lost control of what happen in the physical world on their own island so now the bureaucrats play a fantasy game where they are gonna enforce their rules and dominion in their former colonies or the digital world.
While I disapprove of what the gov is doing here, I think it’s incorrect and unhelpful to put all the blame on them. AIUI, the UK is a democracy and these policies are generally supported by the voters.
Most people are either blissfully unaware or don’t understand the ramifications of a policy until it becomes law
Re: 4chan will refuse to pay daily online safety fines, lawyer tells BBC
#208I thought 4chan already blocked UK IPs. Why is Ofcom still pursuing this?
For the same reason Roskomnadzor makes demands of Wikipedia to remove information it doesn't like: to impotently make demands of entities that will obviously not comply so there can be some theatrics before blocking them or marking them as an evil non-compliant entity.
It's truly baffling stuff. If Roskomnadzor made demands of a UK-based website before dramatically fining them massive amounts daily (that will obviously never be collected), people would rightfully treat them as a laughing stock. Yet when Ofcom treats a foreign entity the same way, they somehow expect to be treated seriously.
Honestly 4chan treated this with far more respect than it was due by having their lawyers respond at all.
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Tell me about this "quirk" and winning by "default" (and how this never applied to other recent elections).
Less than 30% of the electorate voted labour. The problem is that the opposing party consistently ran as opposition but then executed on labour's policies instead so most people just didn't vote because they didn't see anyone running to vote for. The electorate legitimately did not want these people or their policies, they effectively weren't given a choice. To call that democracy delegtimizes democratic elections.
Everyone also had the choice to vote Green or Liberal Democrat. I believe both promise electoral reform.
Re: 4chan will refuse to pay daily online safety fines, lawyer tells BBC
#210> Two days later, US Federal Trade Commission chairman Andrew Ferguson warned big tech firms they could be violating US law if they weakened privacy and data security requirements by complying with international laws such as the Online Safety Act. How will this work with chat control? > "If Ofcom doesn't think this will be enough to prevent significant harm, it can even ask that ISPs be ordered to block UK access." I…
I think eventually we will reach a point where laws like the Online Safety Act become so prevalent that it is basically impossible to comply with all of them simultaneously and still have a unified internet across the globe. I wouldn’t be surprised if in 10 years or so every country has its own version of the internet only intended for their own people.
> still have a unified internet across the globe.
which might be the end goal - the internet, with freedom of communication, is a way that the plebs can organize and resist authoritarianism. And as countries are growing increasingly authoritarian (and i include UK here), they may be planning on preventing the old free internet that has enabled so much.
So as technologists here at HN, there needs to be a pre-emptive strike to prevent such an outcome from becoming successful. I would have said TOR, but for most people it's a non-starter. What other options are there?