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Sunny days are warm: why LinkedIn rewards mediocrity

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Re: Sunny days are warm: why LinkedIn rewards mediocrity

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As an aside, marketing isn’t bullshitting. Peddling non sense on LinkedIn mostly is bullshitting. It can be very lucrative bullshitting and I’m happy to fork the money to people devoid of any sort of ethics when I have to leverage it while sharing your overall opinions on LinkedIn influencers. But there is significantly more to marketing than that and some of it (pricing strategy, distribution, understanding your sal…

Marketing is lying. Convincing someone to buy something they don’t actually need? Thats a drain on society. It’s become so pervasive we go to great lengths to justify it. But at its core its fundamentally dishonest.

You can market products that people need. A big part of this is explaining and educating someone about what your product does, another part is just getting the word out there. Every website homepage is more-or-less a marketing page.

If no one is marketing a product, then nobody knows about it.

Re: Sunny days are warm: why LinkedIn rewards mediocrity

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This thread is headed by defensive comments alleging that they have benefitted financially from LinkedIn.

These comments only strengthen the premise of the OP that "toxic mediocrity" is rewarded.

It is like a submission that is critical of multi-level marketing that generates a stream of defensive comments from marketers alleging that MLM "is responsible for millions of dollars in revenue". Of course it is, but that is not why the author of the submission is bothered by it.

Fortunately companies are comprised of more than just marketing departments. For many folks, the appeal of their employer, their job and their work is found in those other departments. IMHO.

The OP is not trying to engage in LinkedIn marketing. He is complaining about being on the receiving end of self-made internet marketers.

It would be one thing if the OP claimed "LinkedIn marketing is not effective". The OP does not do that. He claims LinkedIn marketing is "annoying".

This thread (so far) contains zero replies rebutting that claim.

Who is the company behind all this toxic, mediocre marketing and data collection about LinkedIn members to produce more internet advertising revenue, among other things. According to HN commenters, it's the "cool guys"^1

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=44866666

That is but one example of many, many HN comments going back years (part of an ongoing HN meme) presuming that Microsoft has "changed" (I could choose any of them to illustrate, but this one has a nice ID number with lots of sixes)

It's true. Microsoft has changed. It is even worse than it used to be when it was considered very bad

HN commenters trying defend Microsoft may attempt to divert attention away from LinkedIn and blame self-marketers, i.e., computer users. That would be nothing new. But both the OP and the HN title specifically identify LinkedIn. The problem is the so-called "tech" company that acts as an unnecessary and irresponsible intermediary, not the www users they usurp and target for profit.

Re: Sunny days are warm: why LinkedIn rewards mediocrity

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Unless there was a better alternative that you drowned out, in which case it was value destruction.

The whole point of advertising is making the "free market agents" less rational. The most popular product is rarely the best.

No its about product discovery. It is in fact essential to a rational market. Imagine you create a really good product. You actually believe in it and you think people would want to buy it. Please tell me how you will practically get it noticed? I would like actual practical advice.

Re: Sunny days are warm: why LinkedIn rewards mediocrity

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Marketing is lying. Convincing someone to buy something they don’t actually need? Thats a drain on society. It’s become so pervasive we go to great lengths to justify it. But at its core its fundamentally dishonest.

Classic zero accountability take. Why are you getting suckered into buying something you don't need because a commercials says so?

Because a megacorporation hires psychologists (in the form of marketers) to gin up scenarios where class mobility is implied as a subtext in the acquisition of their goods? I mean, who doesn't want to have the fun/get the girls/get the money because they bought {insert product here}?

How is one to defend one's self against the constant onslaught of bullshit meant to part fools with their money? How is an individual supposed to have any defenses against that? When they're raised in an endless din of lying noise?

Yours is the classic _abusers take_. "If only you were a better person you could stand up for yourself"

Re: Sunny days are warm: why LinkedIn rewards mediocrity

#205

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Marketing is lying. Convincing someone to buy something they don’t actually need? Thats a drain on society. It’s become so pervasive we go to great lengths to justify it. But at its core its fundamentally dishonest.

Classic zero accountability take. Why are you getting suckered into buying something you don't need because a commercials says so?

What? What does it mean for a comment on the internet to be non-zero accountability?

Re: Sunny days are warm: why LinkedIn rewards mediocrity

#206

This reads like it was written by a developer 'who doesn't get marketing'. > Nothing you post there is going to change your career. I can attribute millions of dollars in revenue to LinkedIn, as can a lot of my 'LinkedIn friends' > Doing work that matters might. This is a pre-requisite for winning on LinkedIn. The kind of content that performs best are strong opinions informed by actual expertise. > Go for depth over…

> > Doing work that matters might. > This is a pre-requisite for winning on LinkedIn. The kind of content that performs best are strong opinions informed by actual expertise. > > Go for depth over frequency. > Unfortunately that's not the way marketing works. 95% of your audience is not 'in-market' and ready to buy when they see your content. Sometime over the next 3-5 years they may move into a buying lifecycle, and…

Actually, "quality-of-work" and "time-you-share-it" are both necessary to get on the flywheel of product improvement.

Folks who obsess over only quality of work in a vacuum and don't put it in front of users end up building vaporware or non-scalable products.

Re: Sunny days are warm: why LinkedIn rewards mediocrity

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Semi-related — why don’t we create a service in which people make employment “claims” and other people (their managers/customers) sign these claims with their own keys, so these claims can be cryptographically verified by a third party in a distributed fashion? This way, Linkedins basic premise of being a centralized “CV as a service” would become obsolete, leaving just the social network, which I personally would gl…

If it works you'll have a bunch of people faking it for each other, and if it doesn't then it's no different than anything else.

Re: Sunny days are warm: why LinkedIn rewards mediocrity

#208

This reads like it was written by a developer 'who doesn't get marketing'. > Nothing you post there is going to change your career. I can attribute millions of dollars in revenue to LinkedIn, as can a lot of my 'LinkedIn friends' > Doing work that matters might. This is a pre-requisite for winning on LinkedIn. The kind of content that performs best are strong opinions informed by actual expertise. > Go for depth over…

> > Doing work that matters might. > This is a pre-requisite for winning on LinkedIn. The kind of content that performs best are strong opinions informed by actual expertise. > > Go for depth over frequency. > Unfortunately that's not the way marketing works. 95% of your audience is not 'in-market' and ready to buy when they see your content. Sometime over the next 3-5 years they may move into a buying lifecycle, and…

It's not some zero sum game. And "work that matters" or "practical impact" are deeply subjective and contextual.

If someone is a freelancer that makes websites more accessible then what qualifies as "practical impact" will change. Finding clients who need your service, sharing your work with others so they can see what you do, actually doing the work, dealing with boring but necessary business admin, etc... All of that is necessary.

And optimizing one precisely does mean avoiding taking time away from the others. If you work for yourself then you have to get clients / sell products -- there's no way around that.

Anyone who is serious about that type of marketing knows you treat it like a system.

You have evergreen content that you evaluate to see if people find it useful and engaging.

You slowly build up to having a library of that evergreen content. Maybe it's something like 30 long-form blog posts that people really love.

You then chop up those 30 blog posts into useful nuggets for posting on whatever social channels your audience is on (e.g. LI). Say you end up with 150 actually useful nuggets.

And then you rotate through those. Maybe you post three a week. It will take about a year to get through them all.

Then you rinse and repeat. That's an oversimplification, but you get the point. And this is clearly amenable to partial or full automation or delegation after you've written the original blog posts.

It works because not everyone sees your posts. If your most popular nugget is #57 and you only post it once, you can bet it will be popular again next time you post it and that new people will see it.

That's how you get your 1000x of content in a way that doesn't really take any extra time if you already were wanting to do long form writing anyway (which anyone with expertise really should do, if they enjoy writing).

Re: Sunny days are warm: why LinkedIn rewards mediocrity

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For many years I went without looking at LinkedIn at all. I even deleted my LinkedIn account for couple of years in mid '10s.

I have found a lot of value in LinkedIn recently after I started interacting with news, posts, and people that have something interesting to say. It is as if you tell the algorithm what you like, it will show more things like that.

I also proactively flag things I don't like to see. That also helps a lot in improving my feed, I assume.

Th "updates" feed with all the opentowork, hiring, promotions doesn't bother me much. it has it's uses, and its easy to just eyeball and move on.

What I don't understand is the grandstanding about how LinkedIn and its users are all dumb. You can always timebox your interactions with LinkedIn and ignore it rest of the time if you cannot afford to NOT have a LinkedIn account.

Oh! and learn to use the notification settings. Turn off email alerts etc.,

Re: Sunny days are warm: why LinkedIn rewards mediocrity

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Just going to throw this out there: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9h9wStdPkQY I do not fully endorse the message. However, there is very much some truth in there.

> If you're in marketing, "kill yourself" is not the insightful bit of wisdom you think it is, even if it did come from Bill Hicks

I try to avoid resorting to ad hominem, but maybe it's just you? In general, no marketing would dial back the economy drastically, which I think is a good idea. Depends on your goals of course.
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