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Occult books digitized and put online by Amsterdam’s Ritman Library

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Post by carlosjobim »

dr_dshiv wrote: post #74
zozbot234 wrote: post #60

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> I personally believe that these materials should definitely be part of large model training. Already done: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=37752272 It turns out that the real safety risk with AI is not Mecha-Hitler, it's just that it might end up reading the wrong sorts of books and accidentally conjure a horde of demons.

> accidentally conjure a horde of demons. If we have a certain perspective on demons as self-sustaining information processing loops—we’ll, yeah, demons abound. And, yes, this hn post from BenBreen — is amazing. We’ve been in touch! And if Ben is reading, we’ve made progress on our version controlled community—LLM book translation prototype. Of course, it’s much to early to share on hn. Or whatever, it’s great, take…

> If we have a certain perspective on demons as self-sustaining information processing loops—we’ll, yeah, demons abound.

Such as paranoid schizophrenia, drug addiction, self harm, harming others, etc.

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Post by naasking »

GuB-42 wrote: post #181
genrader wrote: post #170

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No, because one built a civilization and the other is actual nonsense

This makes me realize that despite the association between the occult and horrible things. So many more people died in the name of the Bible. The Bible may be the deadliest book ever written. It certainly built a thriving civilization, but it came at a cost.

> The Bible may be the deadliest book ever written.

Books are excuses for war that would have already happened. They would have just found other reasons if the Bible didn't exist.

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Post by throwanem »

grues-dinner wrote: post #199
throwanem wrote: post #193

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That is not in any sense "Catholic AI." If the failed seminarian behind it had ever been frocked in the first place, he would by now be losing his orders.

Take it up with Longbeard: https://www.longbeard.com/ , they seem to be serious about it!

Oh, that much is plain.

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Post by enugu »

elmomle wrote: post #130
ryandv wrote: post #68

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> It is an old Pythagorean tradition that sensation or consciousness arises out of the interaction of the immaterial soul and the material body. That “three world” idea is echoed by Nobel Laureate Roger Penrose in his book “Road to Reality.” He talks about how the material world produces the world of consciousness which produces the world of ideas (including mathematics), which seems to produce the material world… Yo…

Also reflected in Vedic/Hindu philosophy: conscious experience (cetanā) arises from the interfacing of ātman (the immaterial self / soul) with śarīra (the physical body).

There is an important difference between Atman and Soul. Thoughts, emotions, decisions are seen as part of nature/prakriti not Atman, whereas Soul is usually intended to include these things.

A better description would be that the atman is the consciousness in which physical things or mental constructs can appear and pass away. The nature of pure consciousness is also described as real(undisturbed by time) or ananda/contentment/bliss.

The disidentifcation from thoughts (for instance, seeing them pass by just like cars on road) is an important part of liberation.

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Post by jasonvorhe »

Simon_O_Rourke wrote: post #161

I could never figure out the attraction of all this occult nonsense. If it works go empirically prove it, if not just cut our the wishy-washy BS involving the waving around of swords, casting spells or spelling magic with a 'k'.

If you haven't read at least parts of The Secret Teachings of All Ages by Manly P. Hall, Psychology and the Occult by C.G. Jung or similar lecture providing the profane with the tools to get something out of occult works, you're really just swinging your ignorance around here.

Don't worry, I used to think like this as well, but I'm glad I got out of it. No judgment intended.

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Post by throwanem »

ac29 wrote: post #200
throwanem wrote: post #75

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All life also defecates, intelligent or otherwise. Curious how no one hastens to canonize that for its ubiquity.

Except plants. And fungi. And bacteria. In fact, by pretty much any measure, most life does not defecate (because they have no digestive tract).

I see you do.

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Post by account42 »

johtso wrote: post #160

Hermetically open? Where's the download link? It really frustrates me that fantastic projects like this end up only being made available via some "online catalogue" with tiled zooming and no option to download. Just stick it on the internet archive, and then voila, the data is actually open, everything gets automatically OCRed, and then we can do fun transformative things like the Internet Archive Book Images project…

Ironic that your Internet Archive Book Images is also just an online gallery rather than something you can download.

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Post by johtso »

account42 wrote: post #209
johtso wrote: post #160

Hermetically open? Where's the download link? It really frustrates me that fantastic projects like this end up only being made available via some "online catalogue" with tiled zooming and no option to download. Just stick it on the internet archive, and then voila, the data is actually open, everything gets automatically OCRed, and then we can do fun transformative things like the Internet Archive Book Images project…

Ironic that your Internet Archive Book Images is also just an online gallery rather than something you can download.

All 7ishTB of images are also available on the internet archive, Flickr was a collaboration that allowed browsing them in a vaguely user friendly way. I guess serving over 5 million images isn't trivial and it made sense as a way to help with discovery.

https://archive.org/details/bookimages

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