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Re: Fight Chat Control

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Post by jaharios »

Teever wrote: post #124
echelon wrote: post #96

Earlier quoted context omitted.

While we're talking about corrupt politicians, why is this all happening all at once? America, Great Britain, and the EU are all creating tracking, monitoring, and censorship regulations. All at the same time. We're turning the internet into the 1984 inevitability it was predicted to become. We need a Bill of Rights against this. But the public is too lay to push for this. Bolstering or eroding privacy rights will ne…

Authoritarians will always try and pull this kind of shit. It's just what they do. The bigger question you should be asking is where's the coordinated pushback? Where are the celebrities and public figures taking a stand against this? Where are the grassroots organizations organizing protests and promoting sousveillance programs against the authoritarians who want to take away our rights and privacy? The reason why t…

The pandemic showed that govs can push what they want with minimal resistance and having the public on each other throats. People are also fatigued and isolated more than ever, perfect time to seize total control.

Re: Fight Chat Control

#202

Post by isaacremuant »

JumpCrisscross wrote: post #185
isaacremuant wrote: post #161

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Is there any regime out there who's not trying to mass-surveil their citizens for one reason or another? Covid authoritarian policies were hugely successful and supported by mainstream people by and large. Not enough protests. Not enough dissent. Now politicians know they can turn the power knob as high as they want and nothing will happen. Less and less dissent will be allowed, just like during covid. If you fail…

> Covid authoritarian policies were hugely successful and supported by mainstream people by and large. Not enough protests. Not enough dissent America has been trashed not by Covid but by the precedence being set that partisan violence can and will be pardoned.

I don't quite understand your point. I also meant covid policies. Not covid itself.

Re: Fight Chat Control

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Post by userbinator »

Teever wrote: post #124
echelon wrote: post #96

Earlier quoted context omitted.

While we're talking about corrupt politicians, why is this all happening all at once? America, Great Britain, and the EU are all creating tracking, monitoring, and censorship regulations. All at the same time. We're turning the internet into the 1984 inevitability it was predicted to become. We need a Bill of Rights against this. But the public is too lay to push for this. Bolstering or eroding privacy rights will ne…

Authoritarians will always try and pull this kind of shit. It's just what they do. The bigger question you should be asking is where's the coordinated pushback? Where are the celebrities and public figures taking a stand against this? Where are the grassroots organizations organizing protests and promoting sousveillance programs against the authoritarians who want to take away our rights and privacy? The reason why t…

Where are the celebrities and public figures taking a stand against this?

They're afraid of losing their job or being painted as someone who supports terrorists, pedophiles, or other criminals.

Re: Fight Chat Control

#205

Post by protocolture »

ragmodel226 wrote: post #41
Centigonal wrote: post #25

In the US, we have government programs like PRISM and unchecked oligopolies that surveil us and use that information to identify dissent, sell us ads, and alter our behavior. In the EU, there are these initiatives to surveil us in the name of safety. Is there any regime out there who's not trying to mass-surveil their citizens for one reason or another?

This is a defeatist and damaging attitude. It detracts from the core issue at hand, which is EU government forcing code being run in private messaging apps over data before it is encrypted. It defeats the security model of end to end encrypted messaging, and leads to a society that cannot trust its communications against government interference ever again. One can criticize analysis of mass surveillance of metadata a…

Australia already has this capability and is likely using it for 5 Eyes nations. Questioning the desire to surveil seems on topic when this is pretty much everywhere already.

Re: Fight Chat Control

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Post by protocolture »

andrewinardeer wrote: post #162

Can someone explain how they could read my e2e Signal chat messages to my wife about what I'm cooking for dinner? Can someone explain how they could read my e2e Sessions chat message sent via TOR to my wife about what I'm cooking for dinner? Genuinely curious. Can those that are in power break this encryption?

The app that decrypts the message, will have the capability to provide that message, now decrypted, to the government.

Re: Fight Chat Control

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Post by W3zzy »

dragonwriter wrote: post #146
demiters wrote: post #139

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That's not only asinine but also poorly worded. How is this getting approved?

Its properly worded, as it is an EU law declaring atandards for national laws and the implementing national law must specify a penalty range where the maximum is at least one year (but can be more). It seems worded poorly if you think of it as if the phrase was from a criminal law and not a law mandating and setting parameters for criminal laws.

Jup, it's a directive.

Re: Fight Chat Control

#208

Post by forty »

Disposal8433 wrote: post #9

I'm French and every idiot supports it, even the so-called left. There is nothing I can do except donate money every month to GrapheneOS ( https://grapheneos.org/donate ). Democracy is dead for me.

If you value democracy, I suggest not to trust any random website you read. Of course the French left (at least EELV/LFI) is not going to support this. This should be obvious if you know a bit what ideas they are defending (them and the others too), which you should as well if democracy matters to you.

Re: Fight Chat Control

#209

Post by trallnag »

Nemo_bis wrote: post #200
ukprogrammer wrote: post #150

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there's no problem with it being vibe-coded The point is that the site, contacting your local MEP, and all the discussion in this thread, is pointless to affect some kind of durable societal change Pointing out that it's vibe-coded just emphasises that all of the above actions are just low-effort cope

Can you suggest an alternative action?

Maybe accelerating is an option

Re: Fight Chat Control

#210

Post by kodisha »

croes wrote: post #27
cobbzilla wrote: post #11

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The US, at least, has a Bill of Rights that would make this illegal, it would definitely violate the 4th Amendment and maybe the 1st too.

The EU countries also have constitutions with laws that make that illegal. Still they try because there is always an exception that allows breaking those laws. Chat control isn’t something the EU invented, they tried to implement CSAM in Apple devices and the whole chat control thing in the EU was heavily lobbied by Thorn https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thorn_(organization)

Oh no....

I went deep into this rabbit hole and did a lot of reading on how this org is pushing it's agenda in EU.

I hate this Hollywood idiots with burning passion.

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