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Have you seen Microsoft's copilot? It is essentially free openai models
Which of their many Copilot products do you mean?
The regular copilot, copilot.microsoft.com
How I code with AI on a budget/free
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Re: How I code with AI on a budget/free
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> You can code for free this way vs > If you set your account's data settings to allow OpenAI to use your data for model training So, it's not "for free".
I was going to downvote you but you are adding to the discussion. In this context this is free from having to spend money. Many of us don't have the option to pay for models. We have to find some way to get the state of the art without spending our food money.
>We have to find some way to get the state of the art without spending our food money.
If it's not your job: Do we "have to" find this way? What's the oppotunity cost compared to a premium subscription or using not-state of the art tools?
If it is your job: it's putting food on the table. So it should be a relatively microscopic cost to doing business. Maybe even a tax write-off.
Re: How I code with AI on a budget/free
#203All the AI corps have a free model, thats enough to use it for free no?
Re: How I code with AI on a budget/free
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I don't trust any AI company not to use and monetise my data, regardless how much I pay or regardless what their terms of service say. I know full well that large companies ignore laws with impunity and no accountability.
I would encourage you to rethink this position just a little bit. Going through life not trusting any company isn't a fun way to live. If it helps, think about those company's own selfish motivations. They like money, so they like paying customers. If they promise those paying customers (in legally binding agreements, no less) that they won't train on their data... and are then found to have trained on their data any…
>Going through life not trusting any company isn't a fun way to live.
Isn't that the Hacker mindset, though? We want to trailblaze solutions and share it with everyone for free. Always in liberty and oftentimes in beer too. I think it's a good mentality to have, precisely because of your lens of selfish motivations.
Wanting money is fine. If it was some flat $200 or even $2000 with legally binding promises that I have an indefinitely license to use this version of the software and they won't extract anything else from me: then fine. Hackers can be cheap, but we aren't opposed to barter.
But that's not the case. Wanting all my time and privacy and data under the veneer of something hackers would provide with no or very few strings is not. tricks to push into that model is all the worse.
> If they promise those paying customers (in legally binding agreements, no less) that they won't train on their data... and are then found to have trained on their data anyway, they wont just lose that customer - they'll lose thousands of others too.
I sure wish they did. In reality, they get a class action, pay off some $100m to lawyers after making $100b, and the lawyers maybe give me $100 if I'm being VERY generous, while the company extracted $10,000+ of value out of me. And the captured market just keeps on keeping on.
Sadly, this is not a land of hackers. It is a market of passive people of various walks of life: of students who do not understand what is going on under the hood (I was here when Facebook was taking off), of businsessmen too busy with other stuff to understand the sausage in the factory, of ordinary people who just wants to fire and forget. This market may never even be aware of what occurred here.
Re: How I code with AI on a budget/free
#205It's another advertisement article
Re: How I code with AI on a budget/free
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> they wont just lose that customer - they'll lose thousands of others too No, they won't. And that's the problem in your argument. Google landed in court for tracking users in incognito mode. They also were fined for not complying with the rules for cookie popups. Facebook lost in court for illegally using data for advertising. Did it lose them any paying customer? Maybe, but not nearly enough for them to even notic…
Landing in court is an expensive thing that companies don't want to happen. Your examples also differ from what I'm talking about. Advertising supported business models have a different relationship with end users. People getting something for free are less likely to switch providers over a privacy concern compared with companies is paying thousands of dollars a month (or more) for a paid service under the understand…
>Landing in court is an expensive thing that companies don't want to happen.
"If the penalty is a fine, it's legal for the rich". These businesses also don't want to pay taxes or even workers, but in the end they will take the path of least resistence. if they determine fighting in court for 10 years is more profitable than following regulations, then they'll do it.
Until we start jailing CEO's (a priceless action), this will continue.
>companies is paying thousands of dollars a month (or more) for a paid service under the understanding that it won't train on their data.
Sure, but are we talking about people or companies here?
Re: How I code with AI on a budget/free
#207Earlier quoted context omitted.
I was going to downvote you but you are adding to the discussion. In this context this is free from having to spend money. Many of us don't have the option to pay for models. We have to find some way to get the state of the art without spending our food money.
Hm why pay for something when I can get it for free? Being miserly is a skill that can save a lot of money.
Remember: if you're not paying for the product, you ARE the product.
If you're fine with compromising your privacy and having others extract wealth from you, you can go the "free" route.
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> You can code for free this way vs > If you set your account's data settings to allow OpenAI to use your data for model training So, it's not "for free".
Many folks, especially if they are into getting things free, don't really care much about privacy narrative. So yes, it is free.
if you consider watching a hour of Youtube and 30 minutes of ads to be "free videos", then be my guest. Not everything can be measured in a dollar value.
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> So yes, it is free. This sounds pedantic, but I think it's important to spell this out: this sort of stuff is only free if you consider what you're producing/exchanging for it to have 0 value. If you consider what you're producing as valuable, you're giving it away to companies with an incentive to extract as much value from your thing as possible, with little regard towards your preferences. If an idiot is convinc…
I should add a section to the site/guide about privacy, just letting people know they have somewhat of a choice with that. As for sharing code, most of the parts of a project/app/whatever have already been done and if an experienced developer hears what your idea is, they could just make it and figure it out without any code. The code itself doesn't really seem that valuable (well.. sometimes). Someone can just look…
>Someone can just look at a screenshot of my aicodeprep app and just make one and make it look the same too.
To some extent. But without your codebase they will make different decisions in the back which will affect a myriad of factors. Some may actually be better than your app, others will end up adding tech debt or have performance impacts. And this isn't even to get into truly novel algorithms; sometimes just having the experience to make a scalable app with best practices can make all the difference.
Or the audience doesn't care and they take the cheaper app anyway. It's not always a happy ending.
Re: How I code with AI on a budget/free
#210Earlier quoted context omitted.
Hm why pay for something when I can get it for free? Being miserly is a skill that can save a lot of money.
Remember: if you're not paying for the product, you ARE the product. If you're fine with compromising your privacy and having others extract wealth from you, you can go the "free" route.
You are the product no matter how much you pay tbh