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Re: Complete silence is always hallucinated as "ترجمة نانسي قنقر" in Arabic

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Post by jdiff »

verzali wrote: post #102
jdiff wrote: post #54

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The fact that this is propping up the entire AI industry adds additional weight. When legislating or deciding court cases, some won't be willing to pop the cash cow, some will be worried about falling behind countries that don't enforce copyright evenly. IP owners are trying to go after the AI industry, with only mixed to poor success.

Hard to justify that they can't afford to pay when they have multi-billion dollar valuations and are apparently paying hundreds of millions to get a single engineer.

Maybe. But we are talking about the whole of copyrighted creative works created and sold by humanity. That'll get expensive no matter who you are.

Re: Complete silence is always hallucinated as "ترجمة نانسي قنقر" in Arabic

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Post by shadowgovt »

jdiff wrote: post #45
Incipient wrote: post #31

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It's absolutely insane that these companies can't be held liable for what is obvious piracy.

That's the magic of money. Download your favorite artist's discography for personal use? If the MPAA had its way (and it occasionally has), torrenting that could bankrupt you. The AI industry - soaking up every bit of media available online for commercial purposes, often reproducing it nearly identically - has enough money and capital to influence things its way. And only its way, in case anyone was hoping this might…

It's more the magic of precedent.

The fight about digitized media for personal (entertainment / informational) use were the early aughts. The precedents crafted then don't immediately translate to these cases (novel transformative work from protected materials), and the new precedents have to account for the fact that universities have been training via "piracy" for ages.

(The magic of money factors in to the extent that they can afford the lawyers to remind the court that this isn't settled law yet).

Re: Complete silence is always hallucinated as "ترجمة نانسي قنقر" in Arabic

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Post by gruez »

snickerdoodle12 wrote: post #195
alphan0n wrote: post #193

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No one (in the US) has been jailed for downloading copyrighted material.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aaron_Swartz And the US is not the only jurisdiction

That's not the same as piracy though. He wasn't downloading millions of scientific papers from libgen or sci-hub, he was downloading them directly from jstor. Indeed, none of his charge was for copyright infringement. It was for stuff like "breaking and entering" and "unauthorized access to a computer network".

Re: Complete silence is always hallucinated as "ترجمة نانسي قنقر" in Arabic

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Post by jowea »

codedokode wrote: post #168
pjc50 wrote: post #107

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Of course. Piracy is legal when you have a bigger pile of money than the studios.

Let's not forget that some of real pirates (for example, corsairs) also were legal and performed legitimate pirate activities to ships of foreign countries.

I suspect privateers would have been offended at being called pirates, but is this what is going on? If it specifically a Chinese AI company pirating Hollywood for example sure, but it seems it's more of a everyone firing at everyone situation.

Re: Complete silence is always hallucinated as "ترجمة نانسي قنقر" in Arabic

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Post by TurkTurkleton »

stndef wrote: post #137
indrora wrote: post #130

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When YouTube began building automatic transcriptions for captions, it regularly flagged any noise or music -- typically industrial noise -- with "[foreign]" If it couldn't understand it, it was "foreign" for the longest time.

Yeah, I can confirm seeing that a fair bit specifically during non-verbal parts of videos when someone is using a tool.

Can confirm as well, although to my recollection it just shows up as if it's a word the transcription model heard, not "[foreign]" in brackets like with "[Music]" or "[Applause]". It's especially weird to me because I recall the auto-transcriptions being reasonably serviceable when they first rolled them out, only to degrade over time to the point where it was hallucinating the word "foreign" and dropping letters from words or using weird abbreviations (like "koby" for "kilobyte", "TBTE" for "terabyte", or, most memorably weirdly, transcribing the phrase "nanosecond-by-nanosecond" as "nond by nanc") if it didn't decide it heard another one entirely.

I also noticed a couple of months ago that YouTube seems to have quietly rolled out a new auto-transcription model that can make reasonable guesses at where capitalization, punctuation, and sentence boundaries should go. It seems to have degraded even more rapidly than the old one, falling victim to the same kinds of transcription errors. Although the new one has a different hallucination in silence and noise that it wasn't able to classify (which, incidentally, its ability to recognize things like music and applause seems worse than the old one's): where the old model would have hallucinated the word "foreign", the new one thinks it's hearing the word "heat", often repeated ("Heat. Heat.").

Re: Complete silence is always hallucinated as "ترجمة نانسي قنقر" in Arabic

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Post by gruez »

codedokode wrote: post #168
pjc50 wrote: post #107

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Of course. Piracy is legal when you have a bigger pile of money than the studios.

Let's not forget that some of real pirates (for example, corsairs) also were legal and performed legitimate pirate activities to ships of foreign countries.

>Let's not forget that some of real pirates (for example, corsairs) also were legal and performed legitimate pirate activities to ships of foreign countries.

In other words there are activities that are legal or not depending on whether you have authorization from the state. That describes many things. For instance you synthesize meth without a license from the DEA/FDA, you're a "drug cartel" or whatever. But if you do it with a license you're a "pharmaceutical company", and you're not making "meth", you're making "desoxyn".

Re: Complete silence is always hallucinated as "ترجمة نانسي قنقر" in Arabic

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Post by snickerdoodle12 »

gruez wrote: post #203
snickerdoodle12 wrote: post #195

Earlier quoted context omitted.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aaron_Swartz And the US is not the only jurisdiction

That's not the same as piracy though. He wasn't downloading millions of scientific papers from libgen or sci-hub, he was downloading them directly from jstor. Indeed, none of his charge was for copyright infringement. It was for stuff like "breaking and entering" and "unauthorized access to a computer network".

The exact same charges could apply to the AI scrapers illegitimately accessing random websites.

Re: Complete silence is always hallucinated as "ترجمة نانسي قنقر" in Arabic

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Post by aprilthird2021 »

rob74 wrote: post #11
aprilthird2021 wrote: post #5

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And it seems to be because the training data is largely unofficial subtitles from movies. Which often have a string like "Translated by X" at the end of the movie which is often silent while credits roll.

Looks like they used more official sources for German - there, silence is apparently hallucinated as "Untertitelung des ZDF für funk, 2017" according to one of the comments on the issue. Which makes sense, as the public broadcasters' "Mediathek" is probably the largest freely available resource of subtitled videos in Germany. I wonder if the ZDF gave its approval for it being used for LLM training though?

> I wonder if the ZDF gave its approval for it being used for LLM training though?

Obviously a rhetorical question. The AI grifters of this decade take what they want and laugh at your pitiful future

Re: Complete silence is always hallucinated as "ترجمة نانسي قنقر" in Arabic

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Post by codedokode »

gruez wrote: post #206
codedokode wrote: post #168

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Let's not forget that some of real pirates (for example, corsairs) also were legal and performed legitimate pirate activities to ships of foreign countries.

>Let's not forget that some of real pirates (for example, corsairs) also were legal and performed legitimate pirate activities to ships of foreign countries. In other words there are activities that are legal or not depending on whether you have authorization from the state. That describes many things. For instance you synthesize meth without a license from the DEA/FDA, you're a "drug cartel" or whatever. But if you…

Synthesizing chemical substances doesn't involve murdering people though.

Re: Complete silence is always hallucinated as "ترجمة نانسي قنقر" in Arabic

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Post by gruez »

snickerdoodle12 wrote: post #207
gruez wrote: post #203

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's not the same as piracy though. He wasn't downloading millions of scientific papers from libgen or sci-hub, he was downloading them directly from jstor. Indeed, none of his charge was for copyright infringement. It was for stuff like "breaking and entering" and "unauthorized access to a computer network".

The exact same charges could apply to the AI scrapers illegitimately accessing random websites.

Part of the accusation comes from the fact that Swartz accessed the downloads through a MIT network closet, which AI companies wasn't doing. The equivalent to that would be if openai broke into a wiring closet at Disneyland to download Disney movies.
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