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Re: It's rude to show AI output to people

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Post by sfink »

moomoo11 wrote: post #128
phito wrote: post #4

I really wish some of my coworkers would stop using LLMs to write me emails or even Teams messages. It does feel extremely rude, to the point I don't even want to read them anymore.

Why? AI is a tool. Are their messages incorrect or something? If not who cares, they’re being efficient and thus more productive. Please be honest. If it’s slop or they have incorrect information in the message, then my bad, stop reading here. Otherwise… I really hope people like this with holier than thou attitude get filtered out. Fast. People who don’t adapt to use new tools are some of the worst people to work ar…

They are being efficient with their own time, yes, but it's at the expense of mine. I get less signal. We used to bemoan how hard it was to effectively communicate via text only instead of in person. Now, rather than fixing that gap, we've moved on to removing even more of the signal. We have to infer the intentions of the sender by guessing what they fed into the LLM to avoid getting tricked by what the LLM incorrectly added or accentuated.

The overall impact on the system makes it much less efficient, despite all those "saving [their] time" by abusing LLMs.

Re: It's rude to show AI output to people

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Post by sfink »

jaredcwhite wrote: post #180
moomoo11 wrote: post #128

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why? AI is a tool. Are their messages incorrect or something? If not who cares, they’re being efficient and thus more productive. Please be honest. If it’s slop or they have incorrect information in the message, then my bad, stop reading here. Otherwise… I really hope people like this with holier than thou attitude get filtered out. Fast. People who don’t adapt to use new tools are some of the worst people to work ar…

If it took you no time to write it, I'll spend no time reading it. The holier than thou people are the ones who are telling us genAI is inevitable, it's here to stay, we should use it as a matter of rote, we'll be left out if we don't, it's going to change everything, blah blah blah. These are articles of faith, and I'm sorry but I'm not a believer in the religion of AI.

Except you will spend your time reading it, because that's what is required to figure out that it's written with an LLM. The first few times, at least...

Re: It's rude to show AI output to people

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Post by throwaway328 »

pyman wrote: post #175
lxgr wrote: post #118

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"Hey, I can't help but notice that some of the messages you're sending me are partially LLM-generated. I appreciate you wanting to communicate stylistically and grammatically correct, but I personally prefer the occasional typo or inelegant expression over the chance of distorted meanings or lost/hallucinated context. Going forward, could you please communicate with me directly? I really don't mind a lack of capitali…

I see two things people are not happy about when it comes to LLMs: 1. The message you sent doesn't feel personal. It reads like something written by a machine, and I struggle to connect with someone who sends me messages like that. 2. People who don't speak English very well are now sending me perfectly written messages with solid arguments. And honestly, my ego doest’t like it because I used to think I was more inte…

The word for this, we learned recently, is "LLM inevitabilism". It's often argued for far more convincingly than your attempt here, too.

The future is here, and even if you don't like it, and even if it's worse, you'll take it anyway. Because it's the future. Because... some megalomaniacal dweeb somewhere said so?

When does this hype train get to the next station, so everyone can take a breath? All this "future" has us hyperventilating.

Re: It's rude to show AI output to people

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Post by sfink »

gigatree wrote: post #31

Someone telling you about a conversation they had with ChatGPT is the new telling someone about your dream last night (which sucks because I’ve had a lot of conversations I wanna share lol).

Hm. Kinda, though at least with the dream it was your brain generating it. Well, parts of your brain while other parts were switched off, and the on parts were operating in a different mode than usual, but all that just means it's fun to try to get insight into someone else's head by reading (way too many) things into thir dreams.

With ChatGPT, it's the output of the pickled brains of millions of past internet users, staring at the prompt from your brain and free-associating. Not quite the same thing!

Re: It's rude to show AI output to people

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Post by sfink »

accrual wrote: post #106
gigatree wrote: post #31

Someone telling you about a conversation they had with ChatGPT is the new telling someone about your dream last night (which sucks because I’ve had a lot of conversations I wanna share lol).

I think it's different to talk about a conversation with AI versus just passing the AI output to someone directly. The former is like "hey, I had this experience, here's what it was about, what I learned and how it affected me" which is a very human experience and totally valid to share. The latter is like "I created some input, here's the output, now I want you reflect and/or act on it". For example I've used Claude…

This is what valid LLM use looks like.

Sadly many people don't seem interested in even admitting the existence of the distinction.

Re: It's rude to show AI output to people

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Post by sfink »

Al-Khwarizmi wrote: post #144
z3c0 wrote: post #44

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Is it too much to ask them to learn? People can have poor communication habits and still write* a thoughtful email.

Maybe yes, it's too much? I'm a non-native English speaker who writes many work emails in English. My English is quite good, but still, it takes me longer to write email in English because it's not as natural. Sometimes I spend a few minutes wondering if I'm getting the tone right or maybe being too pushy, if I should add some formality or it would sound forced, etc., while in my native language these things are auto…

If you're checking the outputs, and I mean really checking (and adjusting) them, then I'd say this use is fine.

Re: It's rude to show AI output to people

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Post by johnnyanmac »

AlecSchueler wrote: post #130
righthand wrote: post #94

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Seriously you should respond to the slop in the email and waste your coworkers time too. “No I don’t need this formatted for Outlook Dave. Thanks for asking though!”

That wastes your own time as well though.

Long con. Shame the coworkers and they stop using AI, or at least are more careful editing the output. Bonus effect: you're probably not the only one annoyed by this, so this also saves other coworkers' time.

Re: It's rude to show AI output to people

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Post by lxgr »

throwaway328 wrote: post #203
pyman wrote: post #175

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I see two things people are not happy about when it comes to LLMs: 1. The message you sent doesn't feel personal. It reads like something written by a machine, and I struggle to connect with someone who sends me messages like that. 2. People who don't speak English very well are now sending me perfectly written messages with solid arguments. And honestly, my ego doest’t like it because I used to think I was more inte…

The word for this, we learned recently, is "LLM inevitabilism". It's often argued for far more convincingly than your attempt here, too. The future is here, and even if you don't like it, and even if it's worse, you'll take it anyway. Because it's the future. Because... some megalomaniacal dweeb somewhere said so? When does this hype train get to the next station, so everyone can take a breath? All this "future" has…

None of what GP describes is a hypothetical. Present-day LLMs are excellent editors and translators, and for many people, those were the only two things missing for them to be able to present a good idea convincingly.

Re: It's rude to show AI output to people

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Post by johnnyanmac »

throwaway328 wrote: post #203
pyman wrote: post #175

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I see two things people are not happy about when it comes to LLMs: 1. The message you sent doesn't feel personal. It reads like something written by a machine, and I struggle to connect with someone who sends me messages like that. 2. People who don't speak English very well are now sending me perfectly written messages with solid arguments. And honestly, my ego doest’t like it because I used to think I was more inte…

The word for this, we learned recently, is "LLM inevitabilism". It's often argued for far more convincingly than your attempt here, too. The future is here, and even if you don't like it, and even if it's worse, you'll take it anyway. Because it's the future. Because... some megalomaniacal dweeb somewhere said so? When does this hype train get to the next station, so everyone can take a breath? All this "future" has…

Probably in a few years. The big Disney lawsuit may be that needle that pops the bubble.

I do agree about this push for inevitable. in small ways this is true. But it doesn't need to take over every aspect of humanity. We have calculators but we still at the very least do basic mental math and don't resort to calculators for 5 + 5. It's been long established as rude to do more than quick glances at your phone when physically meeting people. We leaned against posting google search/wiki links as a response in forums.

Culture still shapes a lot of how we use the modern tools we have.

Re: It's rude to show AI output to people

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Post by johnnyanmac »

lxgr wrote: post #208
throwaway328 wrote: post #203

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The word for this, we learned recently, is "LLM inevitabilism". It's often argued for far more convincingly than your attempt here, too. The future is here, and even if you don't like it, and even if it's worse, you'll take it anyway. Because it's the future. Because... some megalomaniacal dweeb somewhere said so? When does this hype train get to the next station, so everyone can take a breath? All this "future" has…

None of what GP describes is a hypothetical. Present-day LLMs are excellent editors and translators, and for many people, those were the only two things missing for them to be able to present a good idea convincingly.

Just because we have the tech doesn't mean we are forced to use it. we still have social cues and ettiquite shaping what is and isn't appropriate.

In this case, presenting arguments you yourself do not even understand is dishonest, for multiple reasons. And I thought we went past the "thesaurus era" of communication where we just proliferate a comment with uncommon words to sound smarter.

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