My bank’s fraud department uses text shorthand like “Stop2end” and “call ph#” and their dates lack spaces “24Jun” in their texts to me. Is this some kind of meta-level play to sound less fake?
My bank keeps on undermining anti-phishing education
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#202Earlier quoted context omitted.
> their fraud protection doesn't cover scams Eh?
One of Zelle's explicit design goals, couched in customer convenience, was as a mechanism to offload as much fraud liability onto the customer and away from the member banks.
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#203Some of the worst practices I've seen are from FedEx. When you order an international package, you get a text from some random FedEx employee's personal mobile number, containing a link to a website where you're meant to enter your credit card details to pay import duties. WTF? NO. I've called up about it and the support team were just like "ugh, yes, I know, yeah that's actually probably legit."
Like, companies are making it so easy for scammers to pretend to be them.
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#204→ "Oh, ok"
→ "Before we get started, I need to verify your social security number/address/other personal information"
→ "Yeah, you called me and I have no way of knowing if you are who you say you are. I'm not going to give you that information. Can you give me your name, and I'll call the number on the website and ask for you?"
→ "Flabbergasted Well, our system doesn't work like that, so you'll have to submit another request"
→ Repeat ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
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#205Earlier quoted context omitted.
Heh. 20 years ago when I was buying my house, I was arranging the mortgage through HSBC bank. One day I got a random call, started by asking me to confirm my name and date of birth. I asked them who they were, and they refused to say anything before going through security. I told them I wasn't giving them any personal details without knowing who they were, and they hung up. A week later, I phoned up the bank asking w…
> that was their procedure so it was my fault for not complying This is the most fascinating (infascinating? like, infamous/famous distinction? whatever) things about bureaucracies, to me: they sincerely expect everyone to follow their internal rules and procedures, even the people who are completely outside their jurisdiction by any stretch of imagination. Like, "we require the application of your personal seal to t…
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#206I know this from sport events but often the lottery or prize draw are organised by external marketing companies. So likely this is one reason for not making it a subdomain. The other is that Germans seem very bad at this kind of stuff. Why the heck would the application for the German passport or Ausweis be published by some random GmbH and not Bundesregierung.gov?
But .gov are for American government sites, and Elon's friends (oh geez I loaded doge.gov, it looks so dodgy...), and I assume the assignment of the domain names under .gov is done by somebody in the federal government, if they haven't been DOGEed as well. If any country's government can get a .gov domain, I can imagine the hacking that could happen, similar to hackers managing to infiltrate Bangladesh's central bank…
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#207When buying or selling a house, this can get really bad. You have all sorts of entities which extensions of other entities. The bank has a mortgage sector which uses a different domain. I also had to deal with a medical device recall, which was terrible. I had to trust some skeezy domains. This isn't hard to fix, all you need to do is list on your website your "partner domains." My personal security protocol was to s…
>When buying or selling a house, this can get really bad. You have all sorts of entities which extensions of other entities. The bank has a mortgage sector which uses a different domain Huh? I got my mortgage thru a mortgage broker and I only dealt with a single person.
Domain insanity aside, or course.
I have a strong anti-mortgage-broker bias. Mostly because of that one bad apple.
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#208Earlier quoted context omitted.
Heh. 20 years ago when I was buying my house, I was arranging the mortgage through HSBC bank. One day I got a random call, started by asking me to confirm my name and date of birth. I asked them who they were, and they refused to say anything before going through security. I told them I wasn't giving them any personal details without knowing who they were, and they hung up. A week later, I phoned up the bank asking w…
Had the same thing happen with a debt collector. They would identify themselves, but seeing as their name was meaningless to me as we had no prior relationship, and even if I knew what they were calling about I had no debt I was aware of... They were a _little_ more cooperative about it though. "Hi this is from . Can I start by confirming your name and date of birth?" "Who is this?" " from . Can I start by confirming…
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#210My bank uses a fraud detection system that calls you if suspicious activity is detected on your account. It then asks you to call back a number to verify the account activity. Every time they call, they provide a different callback number. Searching for the callback number online yields only one result, which is the fraud detection systems web page telling you to NOT trust phone calls of any kind (their advice is sol…
It makes more sense when you realize it's an ass-covering exercise. Legitimate transaction blocked: "It's the user's fault for not calling the number, see, we called them and told them to call this number." Phishing: "It's the user's fault for calling the number, see, it says on our website you should never call any number." No matter what, it's always the user's fault for disobeying advice. A lot of things in our wo…