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Anthropic cut up millions of used books, and downloaded 7M pirated ones – judge

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Re: Anthropic cut up millions of used books, and downloaded 7M pirated ones – judge

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Post by lysace »

marapuru wrote: post #31

Apparently it's a common business practice. Spotify (even though I can't find any proof) seems to have build their software and business on pirated music. There is some more in this Article [0]. https://torrentfreak.com/spotifys-beta-used-pirate-mp3-files... Funky quote: > Rumors that early versions of Spotify used ‘pirate’ MP3s have been floating around the Internet for years. People who had access to the service in…

You are missing the point. Spotify had permission from the copyright holders and/or their national proxies to use those songs in a limited beta in Sweden. They didn't have access to clean audio data directly from the record companies, so in many cases they used pirated rips instead.

What you really should be asking is whether they infringed on the copyrights of the rippers. /s

Re: Anthropic cut up millions of used books, and downloaded 7M pirated ones – judge

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Post by NoMoreNicksLeft »

achierius wrote: post #158
chourobin wrote: post #151

Earlier quoted context omitted.

copyright is not the same as piracy

Can you explain why? What makes them categorically different or at the very least why is "piracy" quantitatively worse than 'just' copyright violation?

Asked unironically: "What's worse, hijacking ships at sea and holding their crews hostage for ransom on threat of death, or downloading a song off the internet?" ...

Re: Anthropic cut up millions of used books, and downloaded 7M pirated ones – judge

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Post by admissionsguy »

downrightmike wrote: post #162
asadotzler wrote: post #156

Earlier quoted context omitted.

piracy isn't a thing, except on the high seas. what you're thinking about is copyright violation.

Yup, piracy sounds better than copyright violation. “Piracy” is mostly a rhetorical term in the context of copyright. Legally, it’s still called infringement or unauthorized copying. But industries and lobbying groups (e.g., RIAA, MPAA) have favored “piracy” for its emotional weight.

Does piracy have negative connotations? I thought everyone thought pirates were cool

Re: Anthropic cut up millions of used books, and downloaded 7M pirated ones – judge

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Post by jpalawaga »

impossiblefork wrote: post #100
x3n0ph3n3 wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Copyright infringement is not stealing.

It's very similar to theft of service. There's so many texts, and they're so sparse that if I could copyright a work and never publish it, the restriction would be irrelevant. The probability that you would accidentally come upon something close enough that copyright was relevant is almost infinitesimal. Because of this copyright is an incredibly weak restriction, and that it is as weak as it is shows clearly that an…

you've created a very obvious category mistake in your final summary by confusing intellectual property--which can be copied at no penalty to an owner (except nebulous 'alternate universe' theories)--with actual property, and a farmer and his land, with a crop that cannot be enjoyed twice.

you're saying copying a book is worse than robbing a farmer of his food and/or livelihood, which cannot be replaced to duplicated. Meanwhile, someone who copies a book does not deprive the author of selling the book again (or a tasty proceedings from harvest).

I can't say I agree, for obvious reasons.

Re: Anthropic cut up millions of used books, and downloaded 7M pirated ones – judge

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Post by pembrook »

marapuru wrote: post #31

Apparently it's a common business practice. Spotify (even though I can't find any proof) seems to have build their software and business on pirated music. There is some more in this Article [0]. https://torrentfreak.com/spotifys-beta-used-pirate-mp3-files... Funky quote: > Rumors that early versions of Spotify used ‘pirate’ MP3s have been floating around the Internet for years. People who had access to the service in…

It wasn’t just the content being pirated, but the early Spotify UI was actually a 1:1 copy of Limewire.

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Post by benced »

dathinab wrote: post #129
marapuru wrote: post #31

Apparently it's a common business practice. Spotify (even though I can't find any proof) seems to have build their software and business on pirated music. There is some more in this Article [0]. https://torrentfreak.com/spotifys-beta-used-pirate-mp3-files... Funky quote: > Rumors that early versions of Spotify used ‘pirate’ MP3s have been floating around the Internet for years. People who had access to the service in…

not just Spotify pretty much any (most?) current tech giant was build by - riding a wave of change - not caring too much about legal constraints (or like they would say now "distrupting" the market, which very very often means doing illigal shit which beings them far more money then any penalties they will ever face from it) - or caring about ethics too much - and for recent years (starting with Amazone) a lot of tec…

As you point out, they mostly did this before they were large companies (where the public choice questions are less problematic). Seems like the breaking of these laws was good for everybody.

Re: Anthropic cut up millions of used books, and downloaded 7M pirated ones – judge

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Post by farceSpherule »

bgwalter wrote: post #119

Here is how individuals are treated for massive copyright infringement: https://investors.autodesk.com/news-releases/news-release-de...

Peterson was copying and selling pirated software.

Come up with a better comparison.

Re: Anthropic cut up millions of used books, and downloaded 7M pirated ones – judge

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Post by NoMoreNicksLeft »

marapuru wrote: post #31

Apparently it's a common business practice. Spotify (even though I can't find any proof) seems to have build their software and business on pirated music. There is some more in this Article [0]. https://torrentfreak.com/spotifys-beta-used-pirate-mp3-files... Funky quote: > Rumors that early versions of Spotify used ‘pirate’ MP3s have been floating around the Internet for years. People who had access to the service in…

This isn't as meaningful as it sounds. Nintendo was apparently using scene roms for one of the official emulators on Wii (I think?). Spotify might have received legally-obtained mp3s from the record companies that were originally pulled from Napster or whatever, because the people who work for record companies are lazy hypocrites.

Re: Anthropic cut up millions of used books, and downloaded 7M pirated ones – judge

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Post by blibble »

ramon156 wrote: post #10

Pirate and pay the fine is probably hell of a lot cheaper than individually buying all these books. I'm not saying this is justified, but what would you have done in their situation? Sayi "they have the money" is not an argument. It's about the amount of effort that is needed to individually buy, scan, process millions of pages. If that's done for you, why re-do it all?

> Pirate and pay the fine is probably hell of a lot cheaper than individually buying all these books.

$500,000 per infringement...

Re: Anthropic cut up millions of used books, and downloaded 7M pirated ones – judge

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Post by organsnyder »

farceSpherule wrote: post #207
bgwalter wrote: post #119

Here is how individuals are treated for massive copyright infringement: https://investors.autodesk.com/news-releases/news-release-de...

Peterson was copying and selling pirated software. Come up with a better comparison.

Anthropic is selling a service that incorporates these pirated works.
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