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Re: Facebook is asking to use Meta AI on photos you haven’t yet shared

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Post by supplied_demand »

Eddy_Viscosity2 wrote: post #197
p_l wrote: post #175

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I worked on a project where one of the services was a model that decided whether to pay a medical bill. Before you start justified screams of horror, let me explain the simple honesty trick that ensured proper ethics, though I guess at cost of profit unacceptable to some corporations: The model could only decide between auto approving a repayment, or refer the bill to existing human staff. The entire idea was that th…

How hard would it be tweak that model so that it decides between auto-paying and sending it to a different bot that hallucinates reasons to deny the claim? Eventually some super smart MBA will propose this innovative AI-first strategy that will boost profits.

Funny enough, the large AI companies run by CEOs with MBAs (Alphabet and MSFT), seem to be slow-playing AI. The ones promising the most (Meta, Tesla, OpenAI, Nvidia) are led by strict technologists.

Maybe it’s time to adjust your internal “MBAs are evil” bias for something more dynamic.

Re: Facebook is asking to use Meta AI on photos you haven’t yet shared

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Post by smeej »

figassis wrote: post #132
smeej wrote: post #83

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There was an even briefer moment where there was no such thing as status updates. You didn't have a "wall." The point wasn't to post about your own life. You could go leave public messages on other people's profiles. And you could poke them. And that was about it. I remember complaining like hell when the wall came out, that it was the beginning of the end. But this was before publicly recording your own thoughts som…

Oh wow, I’d even forgotten about pokes. Thanks for that trip down memory lane.

I made the mistake of sending a Gen Z (adult) friend a poking finger emoji to try to remind him about something.

It wasn't the first time I've had a generational digital (ha) communication failure, but it was the first time I've had one because I'm old and out of touch with what things mean these days!

Re: Facebook is asking to use Meta AI on photos you haven’t yet shared

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Post by IshKebab »

msgodel wrote: post #34
coef2 wrote: post #16

I miss the old days when Facebook was simply a fun way to reconnect with friend and family who lived far away. Unfortunately, those days are gone. It feels like an over engineered attention-hogging system that collects a large amount of data and risks people's mental health along the way.

From the very beginning Facebook has been an AI wearing your friends as a skinsuit. People are only just starting to notice now.

What delusional nonsense. What AI was Facebook using in 2005?

Re: Facebook is asking to use Meta AI on photos you haven’t yet shared

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Post by fwn »

dzhiurgis wrote: post #65
toofy wrote: post #4

how long until we find out that the brand new government/palantir deal is using these photos as well against citizens? i give it a year or less.

If you have so much trouble government I don’t think deleting facebook will change anything.

This is the boolean privacy fallacy: the idea that if some large-scale violation of privacy exists, then nothing else you do is relevant for privacy.

It’s seductive because it justifies complacency. On a theoretical level, it seems irrelevant whether someone has your data if anyone does. That abstraction collapses all distinctions and makes further choices seem moot.

But in practice, this logic breaks down. Anyone who has worked with data or communication forensics knows that a single missing email thread can be the difference between understanding what happened and hitting a dead end.

Re: Facebook is asking to use Meta AI on photos you haven’t yet shared

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Post by smeej »

fivestones wrote: post #161
smeej wrote: post #83

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There was an even briefer moment where there was no such thing as status updates. You didn't have a "wall." The point wasn't to post about your own life. You could go leave public messages on other people's profiles. And you could poke them. And that was about it. I remember complaining like hell when the wall came out, that it was the beginning of the end. But this was before publicly recording your own thoughts som…

Unless I’m remembering wrong, posting a public message on someone else’s profile was posting on their wall. Or was it called something else before it was somebody’s wall?

It didn't have a name. It wasn't really a "feature." You just went and posted on their "page" I guess I would call it.

The change to being able to post things on your own page and expecting other people to come to your page and read them (because, again, no Feed) wasn't received well at first.

Keep in mind, smartphones didn't exist yet, and the first ones didn't have selfie cameras even once they did. And the cameras on flip phones were mostly garbage, so if you wanted to show a picture, you had to bring a camera with you, plug it in, and upload it. So at first the Wall basically replaced AIM away messages so you could tell your friends which library you were going to go study in and how long. And this didn't seem problematic, because you were probably only friends with people in your school (it was only open to university students, and not many schools at first), and nobody was mining your data, because there were no business or entity pages.

Simpler, simpler days.

Re: Facebook is asking to use Meta AI on photos you haven’t yet shared

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Post by IshKebab »

cornfieldlabs wrote: post #64
coef2 wrote: post #16

I miss the old days when Facebook was simply a fun way to reconnect with friend and family who lived far away. Unfortunately, those days are gone. It feels like an over engineered attention-hogging system that collects a large amount of data and risks people's mental health along the way.

I am building one with a chronological feed and no public profiles. You need to already know someone to find them here. Check out the waitlist! https://waitlist-tx.pages.dev/ Edit: Here are some rough layout designs https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1uLwnXDdUsC9hMZBa1ysR... It's intentionally simple

Yeah... aside from all the very obvious problems with this (network effects, most friends aren't weird techy no-images types, etc.)... the moment has passed. Nobody is going to trust another tech company with their real name & permanent social life again. They've seen what happens.

Re: Facebook is asking to use Meta AI on photos you haven’t yet shared

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Post by arrowsmith »

coef2 wrote: post #16

I miss the old days when Facebook was simply a fun way to reconnect with friend and family who lived far away. Unfortunately, those days are gone. It feels like an over engineered attention-hogging system that collects a large amount of data and risks people's mental health along the way.

Who even uses Facebook anymore? I don't know anyone who posts to their own profile anymore, and I'm part of the generation where literally everybody was posting every detail of their lives to FB as students.

For "seeing what old friends are up to", that's entirely shifted to IG. (Yes, pedants, I know that this is an FB product.)

The only time I ever open FB nowadays is for the marketplace, and when I do, all I see in the feed is garbage brainrot from big slop accounts.

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Post by TrackerFF »

arrowsmith wrote: post #207
coef2 wrote: post #16

I miss the old days when Facebook was simply a fun way to reconnect with friend and family who lived far away. Unfortunately, those days are gone. It feels like an over engineered attention-hogging system that collects a large amount of data and risks people's mental health along the way.

Who even uses Facebook anymore? I don't know anyone who posts to their own profile anymore, and I'm part of the generation where literally everybody was posting every detail of their lives to FB as students. For "seeing what old friends are up to", that's entirely shifted to IG. (Yes, pedants, I know that this is an FB product.) The only time I ever open FB nowadays is for the marketplace, and when I do, all I see in…

I don't know where you live, but at least here in Scandinavia FB is still the de facto "one-stop shop" as far as social media goes.

Sure, younger people use other apps / platforms, but society as a whole here is way, way too invested in FB.

Re: Facebook is asking to use Meta AI on photos you haven’t yet shared

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Post by deadbabe »

abhinavk wrote: post #157
deadbabe wrote: post #67

Would it be any better if Facebook hired photographers to walk around cities and major events and just photograph random people doing stuff? AI will get hungrier.

They will sell a product that people will use to photograph random people doing stuff.

That only gives you POV type photos and they are too random and uncategorized.

If you hire a large amount of photographers and assign each of them to capture photos with certain themes you will be far more efficient and get cleaner data. And you can get images from places where people do not use meta products.

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Post by blibble »

arizen wrote: post #174
msgodel wrote: post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

From the very beginning Facebook has been an AI wearing your friends as a skinsuit. People are only just starting to notice now.

This is a perfect illustration of misaligned AI. The AI is given a proxy goal- 'maximize engagement'- which it achieves perfectly. The user's goal - 'foster genuine connection' - is completely secondary. The AI isn't malicious, it's just ruthlessly effective at optimizing for the wrong thing.

I don't think it's AI

the problem with meta is three fold:

1. zuckerberg is completely misaligned

2. facebook has hundreds of billions dollars of resources

3. zuckerberg has total control of facebook

normally a company with this level of resources would not be under the total control of a single individual

other shareholders would have pushed back on the obviously bad ideas of "metaverse" and "training AI on private photos of children"

but with facebook: misaligned zuckerberg is in total control, and no-one can stop him

so the rest of the world has to suffer whatever this amoral asshole wants to inflict upon them this month

now add AI into this, and zuckerberg can inflict even more damage onto society with fewer and fewer people to get in his way

(the same applies to Google and Musk's empire too)

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