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Resurrecting a dead torrent tracker and finding 3M peers

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Re: Resurrecting a dead torrent tracker and finding 3M peers

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post #39

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It's not like he just started a random new torrent tracker... he took over an old domain that was previously in use by people pirating stuff after observing that torrents were still pointing to the tracker and ran a tracker on that domain. That's a pretty direct line to "he knew this would be used for copyright infringement".

What kind of threshold do courts tend to put on that, for the percentage of illegal activity? Because pretty much any service that connects lots of people together is guaranteed to have some .

I've read most of these comments and I think it's clear most people have no idea how criminal court cases work.

For one, a judge/jury does not infer things they are "supposed to know", such as whether torrents are mostly used for piracy or not... they only operate based on the evidence presented.

There is a very large burden of proof in criminal cases, requiring that their intent to facilitate a crime be proven "beyond a reasonable doubt".

Trying to say "everyone knows linux ISOs is code for piracy" or claim that "a judge would see right through that" is simply not how things work... decisions cannot be made based on any type of prior knowledge like that.

The entire point of a criminal court case (as a prosecutor) is to convince a judge/jury that the defendant is guilty using evidence and testimony, which means they must prove that there was clear intent to commit/facilitate a crime, i.e. they knew it was illegal and did it anyway.

Simply running a torrent tracker in and of itself doesn't prove any of that.

Re: Resurrecting a dead torrent tracker and finding 3M peers

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post #6

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Is this legal isn’t a useful question. The better question is how likely are you to get sued? With civil lawsuits it doesn’t matter if it’s legal you can be sued and harassed by lawyers if you get on their radar.

No need to sue. Send a cease and desist and your average hacker like OP will take it down in a hurry...

Unfortunately what they will do is file a DMCA with the hosting provider. Most will immediately shut you down, none of them defend their customers.

Re: Resurrecting a dead torrent tracker and finding 3M peers

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post #194

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The Anti-Circumvention Clause in the DMCA says "No person shall manufacture, import, offer to the public, provide, or otherwise traffic in any technology [...] is primarily designed or produced for the purpose of circumventing a technological measure that effectively controls access to a work protected under this title [or] has only limited commercially significant purpose or use other than to circumvent a technologi…

It seems difficult to argue that this would apply, because what would the "technological measure to control access" be that a bittorrent client (or tracker) is circumventing? I also don't know of any precedent where bittorrent software/client itself was ruled illegal (but am not a lawyer).

https://www.oyez.org/cases/2004/04-480

Re: Resurrecting a dead torrent tracker and finding 3M peers

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It can be: https://www.jwz.org/blog/2015/01/chinese-bittorrent-the-gift...

Careful. This guy doesn't like HN and you'll get a picture of a testicle if you click.

Whoops, i thought i tested that and it didnt do that for me anymore. must have been a cached response

Re: Resurrecting a dead torrent tracker and finding 3M peers

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> Is this legal isn’t a useful question Why do you say that? I think even seemingly "useless" questions can lead to valuable discussions and insights... and it might also be possible that your perspective is not the only valid one. What's useful (or not) to one person is not always the same for others.

You may want to adjust your LLM settings. Your post seemingly dropped everything but the first sentence from the context window and then wrote vapid fluff that makes no sense in context.

I do not use any LLM, thanks

Re: Resurrecting a dead torrent tracker and finding 3M peers

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Imo one the tragedies of filesharing is though the legal bullshit from MAFIAA didnt make a dent in big public trackers like TPB serving Marvel movies and other popular shit, it did manage to kill off many of the smaller specialised trackers serving exquisitely collected and curated torrents of stuff you cannot buy anywhere anymore.

Or maybe those just got better at hiding?

Re: Resurrecting a dead torrent tracker and finding 3M peers

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This is definitely the right pragmatic take. A lawyer friend of mine once laid it out for me: "in litigation, if you go to court, even if you win, you lose". The reality is that court sucks, and getting sued sucks for all but the ultra-wealthy (who can absorb the cost). For those of us with less than $100MM, court is a universe to be avoided.

Which is why, ideally your access to the court system should NOT be dependent on your wealth.

Access to it isn't. You can theoretically sue in federal court with a few hundred dollars in filing fees. It's not cheap, but not exorbitantly expensive either. It's representation that's expensive.

Re: Resurrecting a dead torrent tracker and finding 3M peers

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post #6

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No need to sue. Send a cease and desist and your average hacker like OP will take it down in a hurry...

Unfortunately what they will do is file a DMCA with the hosting provider. Most will immediately shut you down, none of them defend their customers.

Considering the obscene fines courts have granted the media industry who claim losses with zero basis in reality it's only to be expected. Would you be willing/able to defend your customers when faced with billions in fines and a court system that has been aggressively favoring your opponent?

Re: Resurrecting a dead torrent tracker and finding 3M peers

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They explicitly used it to download "Linux isos", which are highly likely not copyright infringing (they are usually free to distribute). Eg. Canonical distributes Ubuntu via BitTorrent too: https://ubuntu.com/download/alternative-downloads Edit: I missed the "uh," in the OP: I stand corrected.

They wrote "download Linux ISO"s" yet they're using an old piracy tracker domain, which Linux ISOs don't use. The court is not stupid.

For the purposes of a criminal case, yes, they are intentionally stupid... it's up to the prosecution to prove "beyond a reasonable doubt" that something they did was illegal and that they knew it and chose to do it anyway. What a judge/jury thinks about this person, or "linux ISOs", is irrelevant... their job is only to interpret the information given to them.

Re: Resurrecting a dead torrent tracker and finding 3M peers

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That's easy. Register the domain in Russia, China, Iran, or similar country. Run the website in Alibaba. Let them attempt to send legal toilet paper to Russia or China. I'm sure that will end well.

Yes - the solution to run any illegal activity on the internet: just register the domain in "Russia, China, Iran, or similar country". You should tell the TOR folks about your findings, they can finally shutdown the darknet and just move their stuff to China.

There's always one of you types around.

https://thenib.com/mister-gotcha/

Dont feel too special. Gotcha!

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