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Brad Lander detained by masked federal agents inside immigration court

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Re: Brad Lander detained by masked federal agents inside immigration court

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Post by ethbr1 »

Tadpole9181 wrote: post #157
bobthepanda wrote: post #144

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The real bellwether will be what happens in House elections in 2026. Trump was already divisive enough that the Republican majority in the House shrank in 2024.

And yet they hold every single branch of government.

The chance to fix that is in 2026 at the ballot, and preparation every day until then.

The whole "there won't be elections" hysteria is exactly because the current MAGA movement is scared shitless of being rejected again.

Furthermore, if Trump-y candidates do poorly in 2026, he'll be a lame duck president with little political clout for his final 2 years.

Politicians are many things, but charitable to unpopular people without power is not one of them.

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Post by pixl97 »

cosmicgadget wrote: post #131
hansjorg wrote: post #117

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Why are the right libertarians and 2A folks not speaking up right now It has been entertaining listening to the people at Reason Magazine lately. They have convinced themselves thoroughly that they're not actually racist authoritarians, so now that they're getting what they really want, but it's so diametrically opposed to what they say they believe, they have to contort themselves endlessly. Do not expect any kind…

"I don't want to pay taxes or have firearms laws but I want to appear ideologically consistent."

"I don't want the law to apply to me... now as for you"

Re: Brad Lander detained by masked federal agents inside immigration court

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Post by bokoharambe »

anon291 wrote: post #196
PaulDavisThe1st wrote: post #154

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This "let them do it, and try to rectify wrongs later" model is why we end up with innocent gay hairdressers in CECOT. There are clearly established procedures for US law enforcement (which includes ICE). If they are not following those procedures, then any citizen has the right to raise this as an issue, politician or not. They don't get to just haul people away because you have no "official capacity". Do you have a…

> any citizen has the right to raise this as an issue, politician or not. They don't get to just haul people away because you have no "official capacity". Yes, you do have a right to raise this as an issue... but not anywhere anyway. In all this discussion about the rule of law, we forget that the rule of the law also dictates how citizen redresses are to be handled... in a court of law, using established procedures.…

It's hilarious to see people talking about rule of law when the President of the United States himself is not bound by it. The President! You can see it very clearly why interwar liberalism failed. As Schmitt points out, they were too caught up in constitutional handwringing to comprehend that they had entered a state of exception, and that normal laws and procedures were not to be followed.

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Post by wahern »

potholereseller wrote: post #135
wahern wrote: post #107

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> the only thing real in hyper-reality is that the symbols hide the absence of facts What's a fact? Concepts like justice and fairness are fundamentally cultural constructs, and yet they've always been a core concern of human society. Setting up "facts" in opposition to "simulation" is no less a rhetorical narrative than what the article is pushing. My takeaway from post-structuralism generally isn't that we live in…

Baudrilliard didn't assert that reality/facts never existed; he in fact asserted that prior to the 20th century, there was plenty of correlation between symbols and facts/reality. His vision of the hyper-real is that it is detached from reality and it's facts; this is why I included "mindspace" parenthetically as an alternative word for "hyper-reality"; those operating in hyper-reality are physically in reality, but…

Camus didn't consider his views existentialist, but I consider them as such. Likewise, for me authors like Baudrillard and Benedict Anderson (political scientist) have written works that I think well capture the substantive gist of post-structuralism, even if neither saw themselves as part of that intellectual movement (and few if anyone else would relate Anderson to post-structuralism).

Plus, AFAIU Baudrillard turned into an angry, cynical, conspiratorial old man, kinda like a teenager who discovers the world is far more complex than the simplified versions he was taught, and then becomes angry at the world for being hoodwinked, as well as at everybody's complicity. IOW, some of Baudrillard insights are powerful, but I don't care all that much about how he chose to make use of them. (That said, the radical and exaggerated way he conceives of and presents things lends much of that power.)

I've never read any of Baudrillard's books, though, just several of his essays.

Re: Brad Lander detained by masked federal agents inside immigration court

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Post by matthewdgreen »

jbm wrote: post #12
sjsdaiuasgdia wrote: post #2

Call your elected representatives. Attend a protest. Make noise. Above all else, protect your family, friends, and neighbors. We do not have to sit back and let this happen.

> Call your elected representatives I have never seen this work for something this politicized.

Elected representatives are going to be intransigent until a point in the very near future, when they realize they're about to be voted out en masse and their voters don't like them as much as they like another guy -- who isn't going to be on the ballot with them. So keep reminding them.

Re: Brad Lander detained by masked federal agents inside immigration court

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Post by matthewdgreen »

Tadpole9181 wrote: post #157
bobthepanda wrote: post #144

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The real bellwether will be what happens in House elections in 2026. Trump was already divisive enough that the Republican majority in the House shrank in 2024.

And yet they hold every single branch of government.

And this was their chance to demonstrate that they could govern, maybe even grow their gains with some demographics. They're not doing that at all.

Re: Brad Lander detained by masked federal agents inside immigration court

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Post by lmm »

acdha wrote: post #161
lmm wrote: post #133

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Most democratic countries don't have decades of regular law enforcement refusing to enforce democratically agreed immigration law, which is what has made this defensible.

You appear to be arguing that law enforcement focusing on dangers to their communities and not doing someone else’s job instead is bad. It’s exactly hard to find examples of cops who investigated real crimes and pulled ICE in when they realized the perp wasn’t here legally.

> You appear to be arguing that law enforcement focusing on dangers to their communities and not doing someone else’s job instead is bad.

Deprioritising lawlessness against the will of the electorate is bad enough, but I'm talking about deliberate noncooperation policies, e.g. the California sanctuary laws. That's going much further than "focusing on" other things.

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Post by matthewdgreen »

apparent wrote: post #187
nemomarx wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

they did just shoot two elected representatives so I think we're a little beyond protests working

Only one person shot two elected representatives, and AFAIK, his pronouns are not "they". There is zero evidence that he is part of some larger plan, and I have seen zero evidence of anyone cheering on his heinous acts (unlike with a recent left-wing murderer, who was lauded as upstanding and handsome).

I watched large portions of the right wing immediately denounce the killings as a left-wing assassination. I don't think any of these people truly believed that left-wing assassins conducted a targeted execution of two Democrats in a tightly-divided R/D state legislature: I think it was a very deliberate effort to confuse the news reporting and minimize the damage of their divisive rhetoric, until something else (a war) pushed it out of the spotlight.

Re: Brad Lander detained by masked federal agents inside immigration court

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Post by PaulDavisThe1st »

anon291 wrote: post #196
PaulDavisThe1st wrote: post #154

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This "let them do it, and try to rectify wrongs later" model is why we end up with innocent gay hairdressers in CECOT. There are clearly established procedures for US law enforcement (which includes ICE). If they are not following those procedures, then any citizen has the right to raise this as an issue, politician or not. They don't get to just haul people away because you have no "official capacity". Do you have a…

> any citizen has the right to raise this as an issue, politician or not. They don't get to just haul people away because you have no "official capacity". Yes, you do have a right to raise this as an issue... but not anywhere anyway. In all this discussion about the rule of law, we forget that the rule of the law also dictates how citizen redresses are to be handled... in a court of law, using established procedures.…

1. I suggest you check the meaning of equivocation. I think you meant equivalence.

2. I did not equate the two, other than as a means of resisting tyranny. You have no legal right (other than in NH) to seek to overthrow the government, 2nd amendment or otherwise.

Re: Brad Lander detained by masked federal agents inside immigration court

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Post by pyuser583 »

timr wrote: post #139
sjsdaiuasgdia wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> we're meant to be upset that they dared treat another agent of the state, I'm upset because a US citizen was arrested for asking a reasonable question to some government officials before complying with the government officials.

> I'm upset because a US citizen was arrested for asking a reasonable question to some government officials before complying with the government officials. Some basic facts are true here: a) Brad Lander had no official capacity in that situation. b) As a random person, he had no right to demand to see any documents, whatsoever, from the people doing the arrest. c) Even if he thought the detention was illegal , and th…

> Even if he thought the detention was illegal, and the police were completely fake -- and let's be real, he didn't think that -- the right way to handle it would be to call the police.

Very, very good point. Not enough people know they can call the police on police.

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