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Magistral — the first reasoning model by Mistral AI

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Re: Magistral — the first reasoning model by Mistral AI

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Post by bobxmax »

baq wrote: post #173
bobxmax wrote: post #155

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Because Europeans don't take smart risks. Because they over regulate. It's fascinating watching people circle back to this answer. Regulation and taxation reduces incentives. Lower incentives, means lower risk-taking. The fact this is still a lesson that needs to be debated is absurd.

Europeans also mostly don’t suffer from school shootings and generally don’t go bankrupt when they get cancer or just take an ambulance ride to a non-network hospital. Regulation is not all bad, besides the US has more of it than anybody else.

The vast majority of Americans don't do either of those things either.

And given what happened in Austria just a few hours back, not the best time for your comment.

Re: Magistral — the first reasoning model by Mistral AI

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Post by Aeolos »

umbra07 wrote: post #184
boroboro4 wrote: post #174

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I want to have USB-C and I want to have iPhone. I’m very happy EU regulators took this headache off my shoulders and I don’t need to keep multiple chargers at home, and can be almost certain I can find a charger in restaurant if I need it. Based on the reaction of my friends 90% of people supported this change and were very enthusiastic about it. I have zero interest in being part of vendor game to lock me in.

Products are supposed to come with different tradeoffs. I want to have an Android and I want to have my headphone jack back. That doesn't mean that the EU should make that a law. > Based on the reaction of my friends 90% of people supported this change and were very enthusiastic about it. That is an absolutely worthless metric, and you know it.

It's about as useful as your complaining.

Good riddance for Lightning.

Re: Magistral — the first reasoning model by Mistral AI

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Post by psalaun »

retinaros wrote: post #159
gwervc wrote: post #132

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I'm pretty sure there is way less regulations in the US in respect to France where going over the legal 35h/week requires additional capital and legal paperwork.

No one works 35hours in software jobs in france except maybe government. Overtime is also not compensated (they give some days off that is it.)

Even in government; I've worked 50+ hours weeks working for the healthcare branch of the providence state, with a classic 39h/w contract. No compensation of any sort, despite having timesheets.

There are a lot of myths about French worker. Our lifelong worked hours is not exceptional; our productivity is also not exceptional.

Re: Magistral — the first reasoning model by Mistral AI

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Post by camjw »

bobxmax wrote: post #201
baq wrote: post #173

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Europeans also mostly don’t suffer from school shootings and generally don’t go bankrupt when they get cancer or just take an ambulance ride to a non-network hospital. Regulation is not all bad, besides the US has more of it than anybody else.

The vast majority of Americans don't do either of those things either. And given what happened in Austria just a few hours back, not the best time for your comment.

There have been 11 mass shootings in the US in the last 7 days so I don't think this disgusting competition is one you're likely to win.

Re: Magistral — the first reasoning model by Mistral AI

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Post by psalaun »

Disposal8433 wrote: post #177
retinaros wrote: post #157

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Most of french people in engineering jobs in France are working late even tho overtime is never paid.

In the USA they have the famous 9 to 5. Most developers' jobs in France are "9 to 6 with 2 hours to eat in the middle and unpaid overtime," so I would say both countries are equivalent.

In parisian startups it's more 9 to 7 with 30 min lunch breaks.

Re: Magistral — the first reasoning model by Mistral AI

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Post by bobxmax »

camjw wrote: post #204
bobxmax wrote: post #201

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The vast majority of Americans don't do either of those things either. And given what happened in Austria just a few hours back, not the best time for your comment.

There have been 11 mass shootings in the US in the last 7 days so I don't think this disgusting competition is one you're likely to win.

Nobody is claiming the US has less mass shootings. It's just pointless whataboutism in a conversation (economic strategy) that has nothing to do with it.

Re: Magistral — the first reasoning model by Mistral AI

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Post by camjw »

bobxmax wrote: post #155
hshdhdhj4444 wrote: post #89

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Part of the answer is debt. The U.S. has a debt of 35Tn. The entire EU around 16Tn. If even 10% of the debt difference was invested in tech that would have meant about $2tn more in investment in EU tech.

Because Europeans don't take smart risks. Because they over regulate. It's fascinating watching people circle back to this answer. Regulation and taxation reduces incentives. Lower incentives, means lower risk-taking. The fact this is still a lesson that needs to be debated is absurd.

I would love to know what you do for a living and whether you personally have taken any smart risks that have lead you to financial success, or whether you just like sniping on HN about school shootings and pretending to be superior.

Re: Magistral — the first reasoning model by Mistral AI

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Post by greenavocado »

algoghostf wrote: post #192
gwervc wrote: post #132

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I'm pretty sure there is way less regulations in the US in respect to France where going over the legal 35h/week requires additional capital and legal paperwork.

This is not true. Government workers or factory workers can limit to 35h (with some salary loss or days off loss), but else than that (especially in tech) it is very competitive and working 50 hours+/week is not exceptionl.

In the USA most software engineers are FLSA-exempt ("computer employee" exemption).

No overtime pay regardless of hours worked.

No legal maximum hours per day/week.

No mandatory rest periods/breaks (federally).

The US approach places the burden on the individual employee to negotiate protections or prove misclassification, while French law places the burden on the employer to comply with strict, state-enforced standards.

The French Labor Code (Code du travail) applies to virtually all employees in France, regardless of sector (private tech company, government agency, non-profit, etc.), unless explicitly exempted. Software engineering is not an exempted profession. Maximum hour limits are absolute. The caps of 44 hours per week, 48 hours average over 12 weeks, and 10/12 hours per day are legal maximums for almost all employees. Tech companies cannot simply ignore them. The requirements for employee consent, strict annual limits (usually max 220 hours/year), premium pay (+25%/+50%), and compensatory rest apply to software engineers just like any other employee.

"Cadre" Status is not an exemption. Many software engineers are classified as Cadres (managers/professionals) but this status does not automatically exempt them from working time rules.

Cadre au forfait jours (Days-Based Framework): This is common for senior engineers/managers. They are exempt from tracking daily/weekly hours but must still have a maximum of 218 work days per year (including weekends, holidays, and RTT days). Their annual workload must not endanger their health. 80-hour weeks would obliterate this rest requirement and pose severe health risks, making it illegal. Employers must monitor their workload and health.

Cadre au forfait heures (Hours-Based Framework) or Non-Cadre: These employees are fully subject to the standard daily/weekly/hourly limits and overtime rules. 80+ hours/week is blatantly illegal.

The tech industry, especially gaming/startups, sometimes tries to import unsustainable "crunch" cultures. This is illegal in France.

EDIT: Fixed work days

Re: Magistral — the first reasoning model by Mistral AI

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Post by thot_experiment »

Ringz wrote: post #168
thot_experiment wrote: post #113

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Mistral Large is 123b so one can probably assume that medium is between 24b and 123b, also Mistral 3.1 is by a wide margin my go-to model in real life situations. Benchmarks absolutely don't tell the whole story, and different models have different use cases.

Can you please explain what your „real life situations“ are?

I use it as a personal assistant (so tool use integrated into calendar/todo/notes etc) often times using the multimodal aspect (taking a photo of a todo list, asking it to remind me to buy something from a picture). I also use it as a code completion tool in vscode, as well as a replacement for most basic google searches ("how does this syntax work", "what's the torch method for X")

I use it for almost every interaction I have with AI that isn't asking it to oneshot complex code. I fairly frequently run my prompts against Claude/ChatGPT and Mistral 3.1 and find that for most things they're not meaningfully different.

I also spend a lot of time playing around with it for storytelling/integration into narrative games.

Re: Magistral — the first reasoning model by Mistral AI

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Post by greenavocado »

psalaun wrote: post #203
retinaros wrote: post #159

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No one works 35hours in software jobs in france except maybe government. Overtime is also not compensated (they give some days off that is it.)

Even in government; I've worked 50+ hours weeks working for the healthcare branch of the providence state, with a classic 39h/w contract. No compensation of any sort, despite having timesheets. There are a lot of myths about French worker. Our lifelong worked hours is not exceptional; our productivity is also not exceptional.

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