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Marines being mobilized in response to LA protests

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Re: Marines being mobilized in response to LA protests

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Post by mindslight »

yahway wrote: post #102

I originally turned to HN to get away from politics, so it's disappointing to see one of the last remaining refuges being overtaken

Go start a website for the tech scene in your country that presumably isn't in the process of being taken over by fascists? Us Americans need all the avenues to organize we can get.

And it's even topical here - this surveillance industry that grew out of many tech startups is itself at ground zero of this fascist takeover, both boosting extremist disinformation to drive "engagement" and also creating a crop of newly-minted elites with the audacity to kick over the whole apple cart of our American way of life.

Re: Marines being mobilized in response to LA protests

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Post by kalkin »

MaxHoppersGhost wrote: post #122
khazhoux wrote: post #119

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And how will they protect? When a protester throws a rock at a federal building’s window. Or when they run towards the fed building with a can of spray paint. Will the Marines merely deploy harsh language?

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Have any federal buildings been attacked?

Re: Marines being mobilized in response to LA protests

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Post by hn_throwaway_99 »

vjvjvjvjghv wrote: post #50

This is probably an unpopular opinion but I would like politicians on the left to speak up about the rioting and burning of stuff at the current protests and also the Tesla and George Floyd protests. It doesn’t help the cause if we allow some assholes to destroy stuff. Basically they are giving people like Trump an excuse to deploy force and a lot of people will agree. I can’t see what is achieved by burning cars and…

I think the difficulty of this is how much Trump absolutely wants to escalate things, because it fits right into his narrative.

I've seen lots of pictures of protestors waving Mexican flags, and of the burning Waymos, etc. My guess is these are a very small percentage of protestors, but it makes for great TV, and Trump gets to say that he's "protecting America against violent foreign invaders". And I can imagine many people watching this and agreeing with him - I mean, I consider myself quite liberal, but waving a Mexican flag at these events just makes me think you can fuck right off with that bullshit.

It's a great example IMO of how Trump deliberately sows division and escalates whenever possible in order to use people's fear to consolidate power. It's basically Autocracy 101.

Re: Marines being mobilized in response to LA protests

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Post by toast0 »

b33j0r wrote: post #190
toast0 wrote: post #161

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Where a vote is cast matters. You can cast a protest vote for president in states like California or Idaho. You probably shouldn't cast a protest vote in a state that doesn't have such a regular electoral margin. There is often room for influence down ballot as well.

Gotcha, but. The whole point of a protest vote is to influence other people. Doesn’t that influence cross precinct boundaries these days? The only effect of any protest vote is to tell your friends. Hasan had a lot of friends. Arab communities in Michigan had a lot of friends. Never-never Trumpers had a lot of friends. I personally believe that a personal political strategy should have a conscientious goal, cognizant…

I was under the impression that the intent of a protest vote was to make a statement that the voter does not like the options presented.

A voter should weigh the value of their statement vs the value of voting for the lesser evil. In a state like mine, where the results of the next three presidential elections could be predicted with accuracy today, a statement seems to have more value to me; if I lived in a battleground state, it would be different. I have often voted in presidential primaries where the candidate was already selected; again, I value my vote for the lesser evil much less than a statement.

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Post by b33j0r »

vFunct wrote: post #175
lenerdenator wrote: post #81

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Not saying this is the case, just maybe challenging your premise as an absolute.

Let’s say someone is genociding, and the election opponent says “I want to also genocide, but harder and smarter.” Your moral obligation is stronger against the incumbent?

Is it because the incumbent is already complicit and the other guy might not be as bad? I don’t understand the moral logic of the possible absolutism here.

Shouldn’t the imperative be to reduce suffering? How does getting the lesser evil out of office help the situation?

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Post by daft_pink »

khazhoux wrote: post #120
daft_pink wrote: post #114

I lived through the BLM protests in a liberal city. They let them destroy everything, then they called in the National Guard to stop looting that already happened. Everyone’s okay with peaceful protests, but they should call in the national guard and prosecute people for violence. You might hate Trump, but in my previous experience, it’s the residents of the most liberal districts that suffer all the consequences of…

Now, did they really destroy “everything”?

Honestly in 2020, I went to an open grocery store, a little bit outside the city center, the next day and I'm riding in the elevator to the grocery store and there is this black elderly man from the poor area of the city riding with me and we get out and it's closed, and he's like "Oh Man, they destroyed all the grocery stores in my neighborhood."

Was literally everything destroyed, no, but I've got photographs of small businesses boarded up with they already looted everything, please don't loot again. There was devastation throughout the city.

After everything happened, national guard trucks showed up and guarded the devastation. If you drive out to the wealthy burbs, it's like nothing happened. They devastated one of the most liberal parts of America. Congrats.

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Post by decremental »

anon84873628 wrote: post #145
WatchDog wrote: post #118

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm not American, thus I had no vote in the election, nor do I like Trump for a number of reasons. However, enforcement of immigration laws has been one of the biggest parts of his election platform, if not the central part(build the wall, etc). I imagine his voters are happy to see some action being taken. The protestors could really do with some better optics, destroying property and waving foreign flags is just go…

I'm so tired of hearing this type of thing. "If the protesters would simply protest correctly , then I would respect them." News flash. The opposition is always going to say something like this to set an impossible bar for the protestors. This type of thinking undermines all protests, protects the status quo, and basically boils down to victim blaming. Not to mention you can always have false flag operatives undermin…

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