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Washington Post's Privacy Tip: Stop Using Chrome, Delete Meta Apps (and Yandex)

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Re: Washington Post's Privacy Tip: Stop Using Chrome, Delete Meta Apps (and Yandex)

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Post by whstl »

lurking_swe wrote: post #177
whstl wrote: post #174

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The sad reality is that this behavior gets normalized in the name of making money. For employees it gets normalized at the first signal that your livelihood might be affected if you don't comply. As someone who's privacy conscious, it's an uphill battle to convince co-workers to actually follow laws instead of trying to find loopholes. I've worked at places who collect every possible data point and distributes it wil…

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Meta or not, people don't like being fired or being threatened to. Period. They like the comfy job.

But don't ask me why. I'm a troublemaker. I bring up this stuff, I talk to CEOs, I refuse to do stuff that breaks the GDPR or other laws, I got people to scream at me for being stubborn. Other people aren't like that.

Re: Washington Post's Privacy Tip: Stop Using Chrome, Delete Meta Apps (and Yandex)

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Post by HocusLocus »

It's CREEPY to imagine the Internet is under a mandate to protect your privacy. Don't be CREEPY.

The EU cookie fiasco is just that. All of a sudden, your every day experience was derailed extremely in a way that 'broke' HTML standards and sites at first in hundreds of ways. All of a sudden sites that never did track users were forced to start tracking them -- in order to set the flag to suppress the harassing cookie warning. Ironically, they will remember your cookie settings if you 'sign up'. Meanwhile nothing became more secure or private. It was just a way for the EU to virtue signal out loud and be annoying. It throws the user into sitespace to navigate the site's own cookie settings. It's theater.

Meanwhile, advanced fingerprinting is, well uhm, advanced. If the EU cared about cookie privacy a better course of action would have been to see whether browsers were locked down with best anti-fingerprinting possible and local cookie dialogues... and certify the ones that were. Educate users, harass them one time.

Re: Washington Post's Privacy Tip: Stop Using Chrome, Delete Meta Apps (and Yandex)

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Post by lurk2 »

herewulf wrote: post #197
lurk2 wrote: post #184

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> um, what? This is obnoxious.

It's conversational, emotive, and expressive. I'm sure you hear it all the time out in the real world.

If someone talked to me this way in the real world it would be the last time I would ever interact with them. It’s a Redditism used to express incredulity that the parent commenter could be so stupid as to have posted what they posted. It adds nothing to the conversation and doesn’t belong here.

Re: Washington Post's Privacy Tip: Stop Using Chrome, Delete Meta Apps (and Yandex)

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Post by whstl »

michaelteter wrote: post #181
bloomca wrote: post #179

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Money, it's just business. I think every big corp is morally bankrupt (otherwise they wouldn't be big). There are some exceptions, of course, if a company found a sustainable way to monetize their output. But the baseline is really bad.

This is basically it. There are a dozen ways to become huge, and they all are essnetially anti-humanity. There's an expression: normalization of deviance. This is where we are now. People idolize others because of their wealth, and that wealth is always gained by means which are ultimately harmful to the greater population. Even the wealthy philanthropistMS which will remain unnamed acquired their greatness by cheati…

As a 90s teen growing up with Grunge and in a DYI punk scene, I remember my youth being a lot about authenticity, and it felt weird reading about how the 80s were all about money and fame and how selling out was ok.

To me that sounded absolutely absurd and a freaking caricature, something out of "American Psycho".

Today I was just discussing with a friend how we're perhaps even more materialistic and cut-throat...

Re: Washington Post's Privacy Tip: Stop Using Chrome, Delete Meta Apps (and Yandex)

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Post by huijzer »

HocusLocus wrote: post #202

It's CREEPY to imagine the Internet is under a mandate to protect your privacy. Don't be CREEPY. The EU cookie fiasco is just that. All of a sudden, your every day experience was derailed extremely in a way that 'broke' HTML standards and sites at first in hundreds of ways. All of a sudden sites that never did track users were forced to start tracking them -- in order to set the flag to suppress the harassing cookie…

Yes if the EU’s aim was to just throw sand in the machine that is called society, then it seems they did a splendid job.

Re: Washington Post's Privacy Tip: Stop Using Chrome, Delete Meta Apps (and Yandex)

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Post by t-writescode »

elendee wrote: post #148
t-writescode wrote: post #92

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I'm a relatively new web dev and I've been quite happy with Firefox's Web Dev tools. What does Chrome's dev tools give someone that Firefox's doesn't? I can edit css on the fly, see where a css rule is being overwritten, debug javascript, etc.

firefox doesnt have Workspaces. I do 100% of my CSS in Chrome Workspaces

I use vite, so I think I get that functionality without needing Chrome? ... if I understand what Workspaces are?

Re: Washington Post's Privacy Tip: Stop Using Chrome, Delete Meta Apps (and Yandex)

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Post by gherkinnn »

HocusLocus wrote: post #202

It's CREEPY to imagine the Internet is under a mandate to protect your privacy. Don't be CREEPY. The EU cookie fiasco is just that. All of a sudden, your every day experience was derailed extremely in a way that 'broke' HTML standards and sites at first in hundreds of ways. All of a sudden sites that never did track users were forced to start tracking them -- in order to set the flag to suppress the harassing cookie…

> All of a sudden sites that never did track users were forced to start tracking them -- in order to set the flag to suppress the harassing cookie warning.

How is this true? You don't need a cookie warning if you're not tracking or doing other nastiness. A cookie banner is not required for functions like user sessions or keeping track of a shopping art.

Re: Washington Post's Privacy Tip: Stop Using Chrome, Delete Meta Apps (and Yandex)

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Post by procaryote »

blitzar wrote: post #182
capyba wrote: post #162

I don’t know anyone that works at Meta, so I’m hoping that someone here could answer this for me- What makes employees there feel good (or at least okay) about doing stuff like this? You're spying on people, no? Surveilling ordinary people, not enemy combatants or foreign militaries? Perhaps a friend of a friend or even a family member? This kind of thing is so creepy and disturbing to me, not that it’s anything new…

> What makes employees there feel good (or at least okay) about doing stuff like this? A big house, a fast car, more money. Where else in SV are you going to go anyway? Every company does the same thing.

Finding a company less bad for the world than Meta isn't very hard. They pay really well to compensate, so people will rationalise working there of course, but "everyone does it" is just a way to dodge responsibility for your own choices

If you value money over other people, it's a great place to work though

Re: Washington Post's Privacy Tip: Stop Using Chrome, Delete Meta Apps (and Yandex)

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Post by [deleted] »

capyba wrote: post #162

I don’t know anyone that works at Meta, so I’m hoping that someone here could answer this for me- What makes employees there feel good (or at least okay) about doing stuff like this? You're spying on people, no? Surveilling ordinary people, not enemy combatants or foreign militaries? Perhaps a friend of a friend or even a family member? This kind of thing is so creepy and disturbing to me, not that it’s anything new…

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Re: Washington Post's Privacy Tip: Stop Using Chrome, Delete Meta Apps (and Yandex)

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Post by ethagnawl »

thatguy0900 wrote: post #171
capyba wrote: post #162

I don’t know anyone that works at Meta, so I’m hoping that someone here could answer this for me- What makes employees there feel good (or at least okay) about doing stuff like this? You're spying on people, no? Surveilling ordinary people, not enemy combatants or foreign militaries? Perhaps a friend of a friend or even a family member? This kind of thing is so creepy and disturbing to me, not that it’s anything new…

History suggests there is no shortage of people who will throw all semblance of morality away as long as they are surrounded by people who they believe have done the same. I almost think the people who are not willing to cave in this way are the rare ones.

I've heard people justify working there (often to themselves) by saying things like, "If I don't do it, someone else will. So, I may as well do it and make virtuous use of the money."

I think some people also tell themselves that they'll be agents of change and fix things from within but that almost always winds up being another self delusion at worst and impossibility at best. There was a certain amount of this on display in Careless People.

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