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Re: Cloudflare CEO: Football piracy blocks will claim lives

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You don't have multiple choices. The appeal of Peak Netflix was that it had everything in one place with reasonably working discovery mechanisms. You could pay $10 or so per month and be satisfied. The current streaming era is "if you want to see all your favourite shows, it will cost $60 per month and you'll have to bounce around among 12 apps to find what you want." If we had a mandatory-licensing regime, I'd expec…

> You don't have multiple choices. The comic depicts "Netflix" -> "Netflix Amazon Apple Disney+ Hulu YouTube", and you later implicitly say there are multiple choices, but, you don't think it works well. "If we had a mandatory-licensing regime, I'd expect multiple choices would work great." > Services couldn't survive on "Only we have The Office/Game of Thrones/Bluey" alone and would have to differentiate based on ot…

> Is there room to "build to better suit your specific devices"?

The obvious example would be ecosystem support. For example, (last I checked) Crunchyroll didn't have an app for my WebOS TV.

I could also see more technical choices, like encoding options that make sense based on the type of device and network you're targeting. One of the reasons YouTube is better than a lot of the alternative video hosts was that they could support a huge array of different connection speeds and device types.

Improved UX might also come into play. There's the "Jitterbug Phone" business model of making a product simple to use for less-technical and low-mobility users, or the ten-thousand-knobs options on every encoding detail and playlist management for enthusiast videophiles.

> what are discovery tools? Are they differentiable? Or does it boil down to "a way of presenting N choices I might like"?

I believe they're very differentiable. Some possible examples:

- Tradeoffs between length and complexity of the onboarding/profile management process versus precision of recommendations - Sophistication of the metadata and algorithms used to make the connections between "I liked A" and "I might like B" - Super-fine-grained ratings and filtering technology for sensitive audiences (this might not even be censorship but things like "flashing light warnings" or "PTSD trigger warnings") - Account siloing/combination (You might watch Final Destination alone, your kids might watch Caillou alone, but can it provide suggestions you'd like together?) - Smarter series management (I occasionally pull up a sitcom episode, but I don't want to systematically work through those from S01E01 onwards, I want a semi-randomized assortment like broadcasters running reruns do)

With regards to licensing costs and available content, it could pan out one of two ways:

- If the licensing meter only dings on consumption, there's negligible cost to listing ALL THE THINGS, especially if there are archives that can be pulled from on demand (i. e. "You want episode 11 of Samurai Catboy Locomotive Engineer (1977)? Please wait 30 seconds while we torrent it and package it for use in our service") - If there has to be some advance "catalog building" phase, you'd still end up with "most mainstream services have most mainstream selections".

It's like books. If you're opening a mainstream bookstore, you're probably going to sell the latest Stephen King novel. Nobody says "I HAVE to go to Barnes and Noble to get that specific book." Conversely, you might not carry the full range of Knuth volumes unless you're an academic/technical speciality store.

Re: Cloudflare CEO: Football piracy blocks will claim lives

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post #172

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> 2. They notice that many of these streamers use Cloudflare for something, presumably CDN and load balancing. And DDoS protection. Sports broadcast piracy has a history of serious organized crime involvement, and then some, such as https://www.theregister.com/2002/03/13/murdoch_company_crack... where the allegation was NDS did the hacking and leaked the keys of the rival tech to various mob groups for exploitation.

Back in the 90s when most people didn't have broadband internet or CDROM burners piracy was very big business.

If you mean bootlegs, then it's been big business for way longer than the 90s.

Re: Cloudflare CEO: Football piracy blocks will claim lives

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post #162

Many will disagree here, but I really respect Cloudflare fight against government-enabled censorship and abuse of power by anti-piracy whatever. Yes, sometimes CloudFlare used for some actually bad stuff, but same can be said for any cloud service. Having major internet infrastructure provider react to every whim of every single government in the world is not a good idea.

They aren't really fighting against censorship and especially anti-piracy censorship. If they were, they'd refuse to take down sites. Instead they've a streamlined process for just that purpose, and are only fighting because they have been censored, affecting their bottom line.

Thank you, this is the truth.

Cloudflare does not fight censorship. It actively helps create it. They have a strong team that delivers great products, but at the end of the day, it’s a for-profit company with as much for-profit morals that exist.

Lookup Tor project problems and CrimeFlare. Cheers.

https://gitlab.torproject.org/tpo/applications/tor-browser/-...

Re: Cloudflare CEO: Football piracy blocks will claim lives

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post #171

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Do you really need a source that most people don't hate other people?

Do you really need a source that people motivated by arrogance and greed are repulsive to everyone else?

Re: Cloudflare CEO: Football piracy blocks will claim lives

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post #86

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There is a new factor in the equation: Rising anti-american sentiments. This ties in with point 5 especially. Forcing Spanish websites off Cloudflare could seem like an additional benefit.

I live in Spain and there is no rising anti-American anything. The average person doesn't care beyond the Trump hate that is spewed by the mass media, but the mass media spews hate about many things, so much that the average person can't really invest much energy into hating every little thing. I know that people here would love to live in an alternate reality where everybody in the EU is fuming at the US having a ri…

> The US has done so many terrible things throughout history; they will survive this too.

Right, because extrapolation is famously applicable to human history.

Re: Cloudflare CEO: Football piracy blocks will claim lives

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post #162

Many will disagree here, but I really respect Cloudflare fight against government-enabled censorship and abuse of power by anti-piracy whatever. Yes, sometimes CloudFlare used for some actually bad stuff, but same can be said for any cloud service. Having major internet infrastructure provider react to every whim of every single government in the world is not a good idea.

I think it’s extremely naive to think Cloudflare is anti-government. It’s more likely that they’re a US Intelligence company, whose purpose is to decrypt and monitor global internet traffic.

Re: Cloudflare CEO: Football piracy blocks will claim lives

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post #30
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sounds like centralising most of the the internet behind a single easy target (Cloudflare) is a bad idea

Yeah. I think this is the elephant in the room. I keep stumbling upon "We need to verify you are a human" by Cloudflare in many sites around the web. Crazy.

The elephant in the room is actually one American company having unencrypted access to global internet traffic.

Re: Cloudflare CEO: Football piracy blocks will claim lives

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I was unaware of this controversy so in brief: 1. La Liga (Spanish Football) finds pirates streaming their games objectionable 2. They notice that many of these streamers use Cloudflare for something, presumably CDN and load balancing. 3. They appear in court in Spain and get an ex-parte TRO blocking all Cloudflare IPs. (Ex parte TRO: restraining order granted without Cloudflare being summoned to court) 4. Based on t…

one extra thing to mention is he role of Telefonica here. they are both an ISP that needs to apply the blocks, but also its subsidiary "Telefonica Audiovisual", who holds rights for the football, is a plaintiff. one of the claims were that this is somewhat a procedural fraud since the plaintiff (Telefonica Audiovisual) and the defendant (Telefonica Spain) is technically the same thing. the order was granted after the…

What’s even more confusing is how can a Spanish court just order a legitimately registered taxpaying Spanish business (assuming cloudflare has done so) to shut down their services without even a chance to provide an argument?

Re: Cloudflare CEO: Football piracy blocks will claim lives

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post #30

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Yeah. I think this is the elephant in the room. I keep stumbling upon "We need to verify you are a human" by Cloudflare in many sites around the web. Crazy.

Also, if (when) their Captcha decides that you're a bad actor, there's literally no way around it. You can spend tons of time checking the box/trying again, but there's no way to "solve" it.

I’m not sure if it fits your use case, but I think that CF has a browser extension that is supposed to help with that?
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