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Re: DeepMind releases Lyria 2 music generation model

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jiehong wrote: post #70
broof wrote: post #57

Ai music has been awesome for me, not because the music is that good, but because it gives me the ability to do something that I couldn’t have done myself. I use it all the time for my DnD group, songs about characters, funny moments, backstories, it’s a great tool that our players have found to increase engagement with the game

Sounds like a new genre: live music generated on the fly depending on each user’s context. Just a new possibility!

Just imagine private model (own, little spech-to-text model) listening to the people playing DnD feeding to the bigger brother that in turn controls the music generation and feeds it back to the speakers as the story progresses.

:)

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Post by xaldir »

eucryphia wrote: post #7

You know what the biggest problem with pushing all-things-Al is? Wrong direction. I want Al to do my laundry and dishes so that I can do art and writing, not for Al to do my art and writing so that I can do my laundry and dishes. - Joanna Maciejewska You could add music

However, Holywood might like the idea of producing an endless stream of content/music/movies/etc. with little human intervention.

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flanked-evergl wrote: post #162
antononcube wrote: post #110

The creation of music by AI brings to mind a quote from David Bowie: “Music itself is going to become like running water or electricity. So take advantage of these last few years, because this will never happen again. Get ready for a lot of touring, because that's the only unique experience left.” While Bowie had different reasoning for making that statement, it's interesting to think that with AI-generated music, hi…

The musicians of the 19th century were free to produce anything they liked. They were free to write a "Missa Solemnis" where the very silence is breathtaking, where one does not merely hear that God has died, but where one feels His rebirth. And what have they done? Have they produced in their liberty anything grander or more beautiful than the scrawling of the deaf composer? Have they summoned sounds more jubilant t…

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Re: DeepMind releases Lyria 2 music generation model

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Post by senko »

harvey9 wrote: post #126
magackame wrote: post #94

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I am not too sure about that. Isn't the whole thing about art and music is that you can convey something that words cannot? Of course, these models start to support image and audio inputs as well, but the most interesting mixing step that happens in the artist's head seems missing in the generated output. If you have some vision inside your head, making something out of it by hand is still the best way to convey it.…

Who is the work for? If I lived in the automated future (or could afford private staff in the present) I would do more creative stuff just because I enjoy it and with no expectation of having an audience. For context, I'm an occasionally-published photographer, and I like playing piano but I'm not at a level anyone else would want to listen to.

But photography is not art, you didn't paint it! You literally pointed a device at something, twiddled a few knobs and pushed a button. Literally anyone with a smartphone can do that!

/s of course, but basically that's the argument people make nowadays related to AI and art (of any form).

See also: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gs3ocG5yW88

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Post by widdershins »

rafaelmn wrote: post #140
antononcube wrote: post #110

The creation of music by AI brings to mind a quote from David Bowie: “Music itself is going to become like running water or electricity. So take advantage of these last few years, because this will never happen again. Get ready for a lot of touring, because that's the only unique experience left.” While Bowie had different reasoning for making that statement, it's interesting to think that with AI-generated music, hi…

That sounds like a comment about streaming and artists getting basically nothing from it ? I think music AI in live music would actually be interesting - theoretically it can react to crowds better than any human could. A group music editing session with the AI weaving it to music - sounds like a fun art project.

> theoretically it can react to crowds better than any human could

That's one area I'd expect AI to do poorly. Performance is a two-way dialog between performers and the crowd, with facial expressions and body movements from both the stage and the audience in communication. I'd expect any AI that's not attached to a humanoid robot to be less exciting to a crowd.

However, I am very excited about AI in some of the other contexts you mentioned, like as a music-writing or editing partner.

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Juliate wrote: post #196
voidspark wrote: post #179

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If AGI takes my job as a software developer, my career is finished. I don't know what else to do. Companies won't give a shit about "artisanal" code.

You don't need "companies". You need enough customers to buy/support your work so that you get a living out of it. Being a software developer is a _facet_ of your work. You (unconsciously perhaps) do many other things around/with it that the most efficient AI today cannot do alone. And AGI is still far on the horizon, if not a mirage.

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Post by flanked-evergl »

shmeeed wrote: post #200
flanked-evergl wrote: post #162

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The musicians of the 19th century were free to produce anything they liked. They were free to write a "Missa Solemnis" where the very silence is breathtaking, where one does not merely hear that God has died, but where one feels His rebirth. And what have they done? Have they produced in their liberty anything grander or more beautiful than the scrawling of the deaf composer? Have they summoned sounds more jubilant t…

That's a lot of words on a very overarching tangent. If one may ask, what music, exactly, do you consider joyful and worthy?

Some examples:

- Carl Maria von Weber - Missa Sancta No.2 in G-major, Op.76, J.251 "Jubelmesse" (1819) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7mlNqpl-YJI&t=239s

- Mass No. 2 (Schubert) - https://youtu.be/AUMp0OJ66s8?si=40k7LZ9pqCzMbHJy&t=256

- Mendelssohn: Elijah, Op. 70, MWV A2 - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w99KSSFj-aU

- Beethoven: Missa solemnis in D major, op. 123 - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=umXYWd25hgQ&t=2382s

Re: DeepMind releases Lyria 2 music generation model

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Post by Juliate »

voidspark wrote: post #192
Juliate wrote: post #187

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And where do you find the energy technology required for that to happen? Hint: it's not on the radar, but if you account for several fundamental breakthroughs in energy production, storage and transport, and all that while having positive side-effects on Earth's ecosystem, within the next 50 years.

I'm not talking about current primitive technology with these power hungry LLMs. The human brain runs on only 0.3 kWh per day. There is much room for optimization for artificial intelligence. They don't need many super intelligent systems to replace the relatively small number of software developers. Just build a few nuclear power stations. Cheaper than millions of developer salaries.

Totally agree, IF an AGI can fully replace/improve on the work of developers, it's definitely cheaper.

But: 1/ cheaper isn't always affordable either.

2/ who will engineer/maintain/steer AGI once AGI takes the job? once you make that leap, there's no way back, no one to understand the machine that makes the stuff we rely on.

And that circles back, in some way, with the debate about AI-generated art: there's no human component in it, there's no understanding, no feedback loop, no conversation.

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Post by tgv »

berkut wrote: post #95
collias wrote: post #93

I find this to be profoundly depressing. I've just recently re-discovered the joy of writing my own songs, and playing them with (actual) instruments. It's something I get immense pleasure from, and for once, I'm actually getting some earned traction. In another life, I may have been a musician, and it's something I fantasize about regularly. With all these AI-generated music tools, the world is about to be flooded w…

People also said similar things in the past (I'm a musician as well: guitar, piano and bass) about Synths and Drum machines (and things like GarageBand which can do backing drums and even basslines semi-automatically now). Some of those things enabled others to create new types of music or express themselves in different ways.

People have said that about robots and computers in the workplace, and indeed, since the 60s, more and more jobs have been automated. And there are less musicians now. Film scores and albums are produced with samples instead of bands or orchestras, reducing demand for session players, leading to less income for musicians, leading to less musicians.

And while automating dangerous jobs is a good thing, generating AI music isn't. It's not as unethical as generating deepfakes, but it's useless, and bad for society.

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