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Re: Manufactured consensus on x.com

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Post by casenmgreen »

gruez wrote: post #171
casenmgreen wrote: post #124

It looks like Twitter is suppressing posts until they are spammed by hate bots and then making those posts visible. https://bsky.app/profile/willhaycardiff.bsky.social/post/3lk... I've also seen evidence of posts Twitter likes (violent and hateful anti-immigration posts - literally a photo of a dummy tied to a chair being shot in the back of the head) being spammed by love bots. Twitter seems to be a propaganda chann…

>It looks like Twitter is suppressing posts until they are spammed by hate bots and then making those posts visible. > https://bsky.app/profile/willhaycardiff.bsky.social/post/3lk ... This could also very well be explained by a ranking algorithm that optimizes for "engagement". Getting spammed by hate bots = "engagement". This would be perfectly consistent with what the guy is experiencing, minus the accusation that…

As I understanding the timing, the post was suppressed until the hate bots spammed it.

Given the post was suppressed, how did the hate bots know about it to spam it?

It seems to me Twitter suppressed the post until they had time to spam it with hate posts.

Bear in mind here also this suppression did not happen for other posts - only for the pro-Ukraine post - so Twitter at the least is specifically suppressing pro-Ukraine posts.

Re: Manufactured consensus on x.com

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Post by viccis »

omneity wrote: post #134
viccis wrote: post #79

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Reddit is SO MUCH WORSE than most people understand. Ignoring for a moment that peoples frontpage Best sort uses engagement metrics rather than upvote/downvotes since 2021, the moderators there have an iron grip over what is allowed. r/redditminusmods used to track this. Every 12 hours they'd take a snapshot of the top 50 posts and then check ones from the previous 12 hour snapshot to see what percentage had been del…

This would be such an interesting experiment to perform on other social platforms as well alongside some rough semantic analysis to understand which topics are being silenced. I already got quite a lot of the data pipeline setup for this, so if anyone wants to collab hit me up!

>alongside some rough semantic analysis to understand which topics are being silenced

You'd have to find somewhere on reddit that wasn't 100% deleted haha

Re: Manufactured consensus on x.com

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Post by viccis »

jandrese wrote: post #169
viccis wrote: post #79

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Reddit is SO MUCH WORSE than most people understand. Ignoring for a moment that peoples frontpage Best sort uses engagement metrics rather than upvote/downvotes since 2021, the moderators there have an iron grip over what is allowed. r/redditminusmods used to track this. Every 12 hours they'd take a snapshot of the top 50 posts and then check ones from the previous 12 hour snapshot to see what percentage had been del…

> r/redditminusmods used to track this. Every 12 hours they'd take a snapshot of the top 50 posts and then check ones from the previous 12 hour snapshot to see what percentage had been deleted. When it started, it was averaging 20% or so. By the end, it was at 50/50 or 49/50 deleted almost every single 12 hour period. Is this "mods run amok" or is it the bots gaming the algorithm more effectively and now account for…

In the past I would spot check them and there were plenty of submissions that were neither bot submitted nor obviously rule breaking that were deleted. My best guess was that mods of sufficiently large subreddits just like to shape the content that's shown. In most places, there seems to neither be the power user nepotism of late-era Digg nor the Eastern Germany level narrative censorship of subs like worldnews. Rather it just seems like a ton of cooks in the kitchen (huge modlists) with some of the mods seeming to just take action for action's sake. Either way the point is that users aren't really dictating the content.

Don't even get me started about local city subreddit busybody moderators with their online fiefdoms and their "Daily Discussion" post graveyards.

Re: Manufactured consensus on x.com

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Post by hn1986 »

casenmgreen wrote: post #124

It looks like Twitter is suppressing posts until they are spammed by hate bots and then making those posts visible. https://bsky.app/profile/willhaycardiff.bsky.social/post/3lk... I've also seen evidence of posts Twitter likes (violent and hateful anti-immigration posts - literally a photo of a dummy tied to a chair being shot in the back of the head) being spammed by love bots. Twitter seems to be a propaganda chann…

Billionaire buys social network for instant cultural and political influence. Including amplifying his own posts. Yet, hardly any alarm from the tech or mainstream

Re: Manufactured consensus on x.com

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Post by whalesalad »

jandrese wrote: post #190
whalesalad wrote: post #117

Spend ten minutes on X with a new account and this is clear as day. It’s one of the most surreal communities on earth at this point. Everything is gaslighting/hyperbole.

What is most amazing it to see what Elon retweets, often with just a single word followup. It's the most batshit stuff you've ever seen. Or just blatantly obvious propaganda. And people call him a genius. It's like the world is bowing down at the altar of your drunkest most racist uncle.

Have you seen "his" leaked 4chan account? Most insane shit I have ever read in my life. Here is a mirror ... the poster says multiple times that they are the owner of twitter. https://archive.4plebs.org/pol/search/tripcode/%21SATANZ0Gpo...

Along with many other things like heil hitler. Assuming this is actually his account, he is 100% a nazi.

Re: Manufactured consensus on x.com

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Post by tyleo »

grey-area wrote: post #143
zoogeny wrote: post #120

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think we should be careful of too much cynicism (although too little is bad as well). There is the old Aesop tale of the fox and the grapes. Being unable to reach the grapes the fox sulks away saying "they were probably sour". There is a lot to gain for the powerful if they can convince those that they wish to hold that power over that the "grapes are sour", so to speak. That leaves less people fighting for the few…

There's no probably here, and it is healthy to avoid social media platforms run by people who perform nazi salutes in public and attempt to destroy democracy.

Agreed, I don’t think the analogy holds in this case. Elon is grape maker and he can dole out sour or sweet grapes as he pleases. No point in eating them if you don’t favor him because he often gives out sour ones to those folks.

Re: Manufactured consensus on x.com

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Post by Dylan16807 »

gruez wrote: post #194
Dylan16807 wrote: post #191

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> You call the bet "reckless", but are seemingly only opposed to it because he didn't share the winnings? Which one is it? What's the conflict? I can call something reckless without the recklessness itself making me particularly opposed to it. Also it's not just that he didn't share the reward, it's that he forced a whole lot of extra difficult work and then also didn't share the reward.

>What's the conflict? I can call something reckless without the recklessness itself making me particularly opposed to it. see: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chekhov's_gun If you start off a sentence with "Some cracks started to form in this when", and then describe a situation using negative adjectives (ie. "reckless"), it's fair for most assume that the "recklessness" was your justification for the aforementioned cl…

You can argue that it hurts the flow of the comment, but I wouldn't act like a play has a huge plot hole because it had a gun that never got used. The comment said X, then it said Y, and those things don't conflict. "Which one is it?" doesn't make sense as a question.

> Bosses telling non-equity owning subordinates to work harder is hardly a phenomenon limited to Musk.

I don't see how this affects anything the GP said.

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