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You're talking as though Android owes other phone developers free apps. I don't see why it does.
+1. The entitlement on some of these people are out of the world. There's a perfectly capably operating system being made freely available for everyone, but nope - they want the source code of google maps, google search or whatever.
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Apple never pretended iOS is free and available to all other phone manufacturer. It was always a main selling point for Apple phone. Google killed competition by first making a free operating system that all phone manufacturer could use, lowering their production cost, and when competitor like windows phone or Samsung tyzen died, slowly tightened his grip by pushing more and more core feature in their third party ser…
Windows Phone was not killed by Google offering a free OS. Microsoft chose to charge a licence for it[0]. And every Android handset requires (or required) the manufacturer to pay Microsoft licence fees of about the same amount, so the cost to the OEM wouldn't have been that different. [0] https://www.phonearena.com/news/ZTE-exec-reveals-how-much-th...
> The ZTE exec Santiago Sierra said they are giving Microsoft between 15 to 20 pound sterling for each handset, which is why Windows Phones are going to be more expensive for the company to make than their Android handsets
> Google, in its turn, tries to keep Android free and open, and hopes to make money from search and advertising on the platform, which is its core business.
I mean it goes clearly in the direction I’m saying.
When searching for how much Google play service cost per device, I not only found it was free when it mattered (when there was competition) but also this :
> Google is changing the way it licenses its suite of Android apps in Europe, leading the company to charge a licensing fee for the Play Store and other Google apps for the first time.
> The changes come in response to a July ruling by the European Commission, which fined the company $5 billion for antitrust violations
Again, it’s pretty explicit.
https://www.theverge.com/2018/10/16/17984074/google-eu-andro...
There is not much room to defend Google case, it’s blatant and have been found so by other jurisdictions than the USA.
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I'm not familiar with the specific process. I've heard various claims that Android is not independently buildable, though existence of alternate Android builds suggests otherwise. Taking the original claim at face value, viz "No they changed their development process to do it behind closed doors and release the code after final release" ( https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43778333 >), then no, the process isn't Op…
So how does graphene OS people build the OS from Android? Or Samsung build Android for their phones? Or Motorola? Do you think Google is compiling the OS for these folks, and releasing to them?
https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43788459>
You're continuing to argue fact as if you're arguing law, which again, greatly weakens your overall argument, in addition to being needlessly confrontational and aggressive.
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> If iPhones are to be allowed into the system, they also have to be honest and secure. This describes a 1:1, total-trust relationship. There are other types of systems fulfilling the requirements without needing a 1:1, total-trust relationship. For example, the main requirements here are: The account succeeds at making requests it is allowed to make, and the account fails at making requests it is not allowed to make…
> Why require the client to be locked down? It is hard and likely expensive to require every single reader in every single city to be networked: > Because Clipper operates in multiple geographical areas with sporadic or non-existent internet access, the fare collection and verification technology needs to operate without any networking. To accomplish this, the Clipper card memory keeps track of balance on the card, f…
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The Play services thing is a major deal for banking apps and such. If anyone has tried dealing with third-party ROMs like LineageOS and GrapheneOS, they would know how much Google tries its best to screw you if you leave their gross leech of an ecosystem
I have a Pixel with GrapheneOS and no Google anything installed, and bunq, N26, and SG apps all work flawlessly (but with no push notifications because no Google services, and I'm fine with that).