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Re: Kagi Assistant is now available to all users

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Post by ksec » Fri, Apr 18, 2025, 2:34 PM UTC

ndaiger wrote: post #198

34679 wrote: post #196

Kagi search is great, but I'm not willing to pay more than $5/mo for search and 300 searches isn't enough. I have no interest in Kagi AI. Adding more searches would've caused me to sign up again. A rate limit instead of a monthly limit would prevent the "search anxiety" that creeps in as your available searches dwindle. Make it so and you can have my money again.

I also use the $5/month plan, and the few times I have exceeded the 300-search limit, Kagi simply renews my monthly plan early. For me it's just happened a few times towards the end of the month and I was happy with how they handled the situation.

That is actually a really nice model. Effectively it is 300 Search for $5 valid for one month. And instantly renew if you exceed $5.

May be Kagi could also consider rolling over unused search for one month. So if you only did 200 searches, the remaining 100 will roll over to next month so you have 400 searches.

Re: Kagi Assistant is now available to all users

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Post by lurk2 » Fri, Apr 18, 2025, 2:35 PM UTC

ndaiger wrote: post #198

34679 wrote: post #196

Kagi search is great, but I'm not willing to pay more than $5/mo for search and 300 searches isn't enough. I have no interest in Kagi AI. Adding more searches would've caused me to sign up again. A rate limit instead of a monthly limit would prevent the "search anxiety" that creeps in as your available searches dwindle. Make it so and you can have my money again.

I also use the $5/month plan, and the few times I have exceeded the 300-search limit, Kagi simply renews my monthly plan early. For me it's just happened a few times towards the end of the month and I was happy with how they handled the situation.

Do you mean that they charge you an additional $5 (so in a 12 month period, exceeding the 300 search limit would result in 13 payments instead of 12), or does the next month’s subscription payment get moved up to the day that you ran out searches, with the number of payments remaining the same?

Re: Kagi Assistant is now available to all users

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Post by everforward » Fri, Apr 18, 2025, 2:41 PM UTC

basch wrote: post #193

colonial wrote: post #15

> A note on our fair-use policy > Basically our policy states that you can use AI models based on your plan’s value. Although I likely won't use Assistant, stuff like this is why I love Kagi. My relationship with them as a customer feels refreshingly transparent; I can't think of any other consumer SaaS provider that automatically answers my reflexive "how does this make money?" question. (Compare, say, Discord. It's…

The thing still giving me pause is a lack of "bring your own model connection" between saas uh services. If I already pay for Gemini Advanced (or OpenAI/ChagtGPT Pro), I then have to pay for it again at every service that offers a Pro 2.5 (or 4.1/4o) tier. I should be able to connect my Gemini Advanced access to any service that offers Flash and be able to upgrade. Signing up for a bunch of services is starting to fe…

I doubt that fits in the usage model for those pricing plans. They're priced assuming it's inconvenient and less used because of it. I keep hearing they're losing money anyways, so despite being triple or quadruple dipped you're still paying less than it costs to run the models.

Re: Kagi Assistant is now available to all users

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Post by basch » Fri, Apr 18, 2025, 2:47 PM UTC

everforward wrote: post #203

basch wrote: post #193

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The thing still giving me pause is a lack of "bring your own model connection" between saas uh services. If I already pay for Gemini Advanced (or OpenAI/ChagtGPT Pro), I then have to pay for it again at every service that offers a Pro 2.5 (or 4.1/4o) tier. I should be able to connect my Gemini Advanced access to any service that offers Flash and be able to upgrade. Signing up for a bunch of services is starting to fe…

I doubt that fits in the usage model for those pricing plans. They're priced assuming it's inconvenient and less used because of it. I keep hearing they're losing money anyways, so despite being triple or quadruple dipped you're still paying less than it costs to run the models.

How would it cost Kagi anything, if I bring my own keys and all the costs are offloaded to my personal Google/ChatGPT account? I pay them the $10/month and get the Unlimited Pro access (but only to models I subsidize the cost of.) If anything it would save them money to offload my usage to my account vs using up some of their Flash tier quota.

It would be ideal for them for LLM access portability to let them offer higher end models and have the end consumer pay directly for the usage.

Id much rather pay for one AI License, and a small fee to each service I use, rather than paying a high tier AI Bonus price at every single service.

Re: Kagi Assistant is now available to all users

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Post by fiatjaf » Fri, Apr 18, 2025, 2:47 PM UTC

34679 wrote: post #196

Kagi search is great, but I'm not willing to pay more than $5/mo for search and 300 searches isn't enough. I have no interest in Kagi AI. Adding more searches would've caused me to sign up again. A rate limit instead of a monthly limit would prevent the "search anxiety" that creeps in as your available searches dwindle. Make it so and you can have my money again.

$10/mo is very cheap for such a high-quality service.

Re: Kagi Assistant is now available to all users

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Post by ac29 » Fri, Apr 18, 2025, 2:50 PM UTC

CubsFan1060 wrote: post #148

Is there a way to disable this? We have a strict no-ai policy. Even having it available will be an issue and I may not be able to use Kagi at work.

FastGPT & Kagi Translate have been available for a while, so if you have a Kagi subscription you've already had AI accesss.

Re: Kagi Assistant is now available to all users

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Post by louthy » Fri, Apr 18, 2025, 2:50 PM UTC

ipaddr wrote: post #185

louthy wrote: post #117

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> There's a subtle difference between using something for 5 hours per day vs causing the heat death of the universe. Replace 'heat death of the universe' with 'the available funds of the organisation'. Nobody should be so naive to think that any 'unlimited' service is unlimited in the same way as there's an unlimited set of natural-numbers, or any other mathematically pure meaning. There are plenty of words where the…

If no one can offer unlimited then it shouldn't legally be able to make that claim. It's like putting cures cancer on your bread loaf and then changing the terms to say curing cancer means eating wheat; everyone should know it's a lie but it raises sales anyways.

What about words like ‘Ultimate’ or other commonly used branding words. Are you saying that no words except exact literal definitions must be used on all branding?

I hate to break it to you, but I think the cat is well and truly out of the bag on that one!

Re: Kagi Assistant is now available to all users

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Post by replwoacause » Fri, Apr 18, 2025, 2:51 PM UTC

CubsFan1060 wrote: post #159

Game_Ender wrote: post #152

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Can you describe the why of the policy and if you are ok sharing the industry? I am also curious if you have other restrictions on information sharing, API usage, and what reference documentation to use.

I unfortunately don't make the policies, or always agree with them. But, I do have to follow them.

Then you shouldn’t have been using Kagi in the first place, because they’ve always had an AI summarizer feature available by appending a question mark to the query. So just like you can choose not to use that, which has always been there, you can choose not to click on Assistant and stick only to non-AI functionality.

Re: Kagi Assistant is now available to all users

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Post by fiatjaf » Fri, Apr 18, 2025, 2:55 PM UTC

For most very simple use cases -- like, I don't know, if you want to know how to sort a list in Kotlin -- just using the Kagi in-search assistant is more than enough, you can search with: "sort list kotlin, code example?" (with the question mark) and you'll get brief explanations with code examples based on search results (or whatever. I don't know, it works).

The model they're using for these must not be a very good one, but for most things it's enough, and very fast.

Re: Kagi Assistant is now available to all users

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Post by carlosjobim » Fri, Apr 18, 2025, 2:55 PM UTC

34679 wrote: post #196

Kagi search is great, but I'm not willing to pay more than $5/mo for search and 300 searches isn't enough. I have no interest in Kagi AI. Adding more searches would've caused me to sign up again. A rate limit instead of a monthly limit would prevent the "search anxiety" that creeps in as your available searches dwindle. Make it so and you can have my money again.

It simply isn't worth servicing people who aren't willing to pay $10 per month. They are problem customers and frequently churn. Much better for your sanity and your wallet to focus on improving your offer for the people who are happy to pay.