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Re: Goblin.tools: simple, single-task tools to help neurodivergent people with tasks

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Post by Groxx »

huvarda wrote: post #21

I asked it to break down eating a pie, this is what I got: Choose a pie Gather necessary utensils (fork, plate, napkin) Place the pie on the plate Cut a slice of the pie Pick up the slice with the fork Bring the slice to your mouth Take a bite of the pie Chew and savor the flavor Repeat until finished Dispose of any leftovers responsibly Clean up the utensils and plate Maybe an absurd example but I feel like somethin…

I enjoyed reading my >30-step process to boil water, which included "wait for the water to come to a boil", and the final step was "review all steps".

Re: Goblin.tools: simple, single-task tools to help neurodivergent people with tasks

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Post by gs17 »

n4r9 wrote: post #25
huvarda wrote: post #21

I asked it to break down eating a pie, this is what I got: Choose a pie Gather necessary utensils (fork, plate, napkin) Place the pie on the plate Cut a slice of the pie Pick up the slice with the fork Bring the slice to your mouth Take a bite of the pie Chew and savor the flavor Repeat until finished Dispose of any leftovers responsibly Clean up the utensils and plate Maybe an absurd example but I feel like somethin…

If you want to see a really intimidating breakdown, check out Carl Sagan's approach to baking an apple pie from scratch.

I asked it for that, but it refused to estimate the time required to "Conceptualize the universe and its fundamental laws to create the framework for matter and energy."

Re: Goblin.tools: simple, single-task tools to help neurodivergent people with tasks

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Post by MrMcCall »

protocolture wrote: post #160
MrMcCall wrote: post #155

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I would recommend you pay careful attention to your diet - get the proper amount of essential fatty acids - experiment with vitamins, especially magnesium - green, leafy vegetables - minimal processed sugar & zero alcohol And exercise. Get some cardio, even if it's just walking for a half-hour to an hour. It's a struggle, but learning your body will help you optimize your performance and consistency. Peace be with yo…

Further, asking adhd folk to "pay careful attention" is like asking a paraplegic to mind where he steps. Just FYI.

That's what I do for myself, friend.

I'm diagnosed ADHD, too.

My luck is that I have a loving wife who helps me. It would be far more difficult without her, but I guess I would have to use checklists if I had to do this on my own.

I should've said that I've been ADHD since my early 20s and have been coping for over 30 years.

Or maybe it should have been obvious by the specificity of my advice.

Re: Goblin.tools: simple, single-task tools to help neurodivergent people with tasks

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Post by MrMcCall »

protocolture wrote: post #159
MrMcCall wrote: post #155

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I would recommend you pay careful attention to your diet - get the proper amount of essential fatty acids - experiment with vitamins, especially magnesium - green, leafy vegetables - minimal processed sugar & zero alcohol And exercise. Get some cardio, even if it's just walking for a half-hour to an hour. It's a struggle, but learning your body will help you optimize your performance and consistency. Peace be with yo…

I was referred to a school counselor in high school because I couldn't sit still, my behavior was inconsistent and I had a hard time focusing. If that person had caught it, and referred me on to get an ADHD assessment, I would be miles better off. Instead he gave me exactly the advice you just did, and it achieved nothing. Guy actually owned the whole food / wellness / woo store he referred me to which makes it worse…

I got a lot of work done for a few years, thanks to Adderall, but that ship has sailed because of high blood pressure.

I'm not selling anything, my friend. I'm sorry I didn't tell anyone that I was diagnosed with ADHD over 15 years ago, but I've been in the trenches for a long time now.

And, absolutely, medicine is next-level helpful, but if you can't use it, as I can't, then you have to do the best you can. Out of my love for others like me, I simply offered the best non-pharmaceutical advice I could, because that's what I use.

Peace be with you.

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Post by viraptor »

h0l0cube wrote: post #195
dijit wrote: post #116

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I think its unknowable, but I definitely read 30% expected undiagnosed in the population. Here is a reputable source that claims 25% https://wexnermedical.osu.edu/mediaroom/pressreleaselisting/...

Once it's at this level of prevalence, can it really be considered neurologically atypical? The broader point that's often missed is that this is a naturally occurring and common phenotype that doesn't gel well with office-work culture and the modern regimented schooling system, forcing people to sit for unnaturally long times focusing on anxiety-inducing problem solving all day. It's not normal, and it's a recipe fo…

It really depends on the level of impact. Lots of people will have small quirks and uncomfortable isolated events which map onto typical symptoms. On the other hand, there's going to be much fewer with severe enough impact to classify it as an issue in their lives.

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Post by viraptor »

idiotsecant wrote: post #169
nsagent wrote: post #99

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It seems odd that as a society it's been deemed a-okay to pathologize a cluster of traits shared by 30% of the population.

So if 30% of people develop high blood pressure should be pretend that doesn't exist anymore as well?

20% of people are infected with herpes. So yeah, definitely worth dealing with the common problems.

Re: Goblin.tools: simple, single-task tools to help neurodivergent people with tasks

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Post by MrMcCall »

danaris wrote: post #163
MrMcCall wrote: post #155

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I would recommend you pay careful attention to your diet - get the proper amount of essential fatty acids - experiment with vitamins, especially magnesium - green, leafy vegetables - minimal processed sugar & zero alcohol And exercise. Get some cardio, even if it's just walking for a half-hour to an hour. It's a struggle, but learning your body will help you optimize your performance and consistency. Peace be with yo…

On the one hand, it's true that these things are very important. I (as another diagnosed with ADHD) definitely do worst when I don't get proper nutrients. But it's very, very important to remember and understand that these things don't make it go away. I'm not saying you're suggesting that doing these things will make ADHD go away—but your comment is ambiguous as to whether that's where you're going with it, and ther…

I get that now, but I'm diagnosed, too, with ADHD. Maybe that's why I forgot to mention that I'm in the same, exact boat.

I'm still a foot-tapper at nearly 60, with high blood pressure putting the kaibosh on Adderall, so I do the best I can with what I can.

Those are the techniques that I have found to work for me, but I wouldn't and didn't call any of them a miracle. No, this programmer's life is non-trivially difficult for we ADHD folks, friend.

I apologize for not making that clear, but I'm certainly not downplaying ADHD's reality or difficulty after having dealt with it for over 30 years.

And taking Adderall is not without its side-effects, so I wouldn't recommend either it or pharma-grade cannabis, because I'm not a doctor, and those things are dangerous. I only recommend the safest possible path. Besides, all my recommendations actually helped me get the most out of Adderall for the few years I had my prescription.

In my experience, there are no miraculous shortcuts, but those are the ways I have found help me tamp it down, after years and years of struggling with it, which has been daily for me with my passion for programming still going strong.

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Post by MrMcCall »

idiotsecant wrote: post #167
MrMcCall wrote: post #155

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I would recommend you pay careful attention to your diet - get the proper amount of essential fatty acids - experiment with vitamins, especially magnesium - green, leafy vegetables - minimal processed sugar & zero alcohol And exercise. Get some cardio, even if it's just walking for a half-hour to an hour. It's a struggle, but learning your body will help you optimize your performance and consistency. Peace be with yo…

Imagine if someone had a broken arm and you told them to focus on their calcium intake. I mean, yeah, for sure, but it's kind of primarily important to put the arm in a sling before we discuss the finer points of mineral uptake efficiency. This may not be your intention but this post reeks of crunchy granola holistic fluff woo.

Is it woo if I'm a diagnosed with ADHD, too, which I am?

I explain this more fully in my other comments in this thread.

This isn't woo, my friend; it's the advise of programmer who has been in the ADHD trenches for over 30 years. And it's the best advice I can give because it's the best set of advice that I wished I would have gotten those decades ago.

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Post by protocolture »

MrMcCall wrote: post #203
protocolture wrote: post #160

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Further, asking adhd folk to "pay careful attention" is like asking a paraplegic to mind where he steps. Just FYI.

That's what I do for myself, friend. I'm diagnosed ADHD, too. My luck is that I have a loving wife who helps me. It would be far more difficult without her, but I guess I would have to use checklists if I had to do this on my own. I should've said that I've been ADHD since my early 20s and have been coping for over 30 years. Or maybe it should have been obvious by the specificity of my advice.

I figured you either were or would claim to be adhd.

I see lots of harmful "advice" pushed by supposed ADHD sufferers.

One time I saw an older ADHD sufferer trying to mentor a young person with ADHD by telling him to cut out preservatives and take up meditation.

Leafy Greens and Pay Attention are barely a step beyond vagina crystals and positive thinking, and its awesome that you think they worked for you, but people should be referred for proper medical treatment, always. Even if you add your other wins as supplementary options, it should never be seen to be something alternative to medicine.

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Post by XCSme »

singpolyma3 wrote: post #187
XCSme wrote: post #149

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I also feel like A LOT of people have ADHD (a lot more than it was initially estimated). I think like 50% or more of the population is neurodivergent (or maybe it's because neurodivergent people tend to group together, so everyone around you seems neurodivergent too).

If the majority are divergent, then what are they divergent from?

Then the variable name is wrong...
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