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The great Hobby Lobby artifact heist

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themaninthedark wrote: post #119
jt2190 wrote: post #102

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> Have been told that I have to “drop the sarcastic tone” if I want to be “taken seriously” as a “““reporter””” but the jokes on them because that criticism implies that I’ve crossed the threshold into being a “journalist” rather than a “guy with a substack” https://substack.com/@meghanboilard/note/c-102976235 ?

There are several comments here using the same logic, which I find to be rather...odd: >It's a blog post not a news article or scholarly report. - The topic is a business run by people who ostensibly make decisions based on their faith to justify actions which cause various harm to others. Taking a critical view of those actions and the motivations is reasonable. and the author shares the same view.... I am being ask…

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Post by kevin_thibedeau »

smithkl42 wrote: post #7

I wish the author was a little less over-wrought in her descriptions of the Green family's religious commitments. I've heard complaints before about the Green's artifact acquisition process, and they've had to return some manuscripts: it's a story worth investigating and telling. But it distracts from the author's main point when she's making snide comments about their faith. Yes, they're Christians who are successfu…

They've used their wealth to lobby against the liberty of American citizens. They deserve the ire of the masses.

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Post by EnergyAmy »

shepherdjerred wrote: post #177
EnergyAmy wrote: post #168

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There's no barcodes because they're batshit insane and believe in the "bar codes are the mark of the beast" thing that was popular back in the 90's. People deflecting in this thread are either ignorant or also batshit crazy and should be ignored.

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/hobby-lobby-mark-of-the-be...

That doesn't disprove it at all. It just states that they owners haven't said that's the reason, and that they've given other reasons. Their actions are entirely consistent with someone having batshit crazy beliefs, but knowing that they can't tell people those beliefs.

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Post by insomagent »

chuckadams wrote: post #25
hn_throwaway_99 wrote: post #15

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Completely agree. I think the author's tone in this article, in a nutshell, exemplifies what was a huge driving force of so many evangelical's in the US now being firmly in the MAGA camp, even though that seems paradoxical to many of us. For a long time now, many people who's religious values are deeply important to them have felt disrespected and looked down upon by "the left" (yes, I'm obviously painting with a bro…

You're right, they're not "backwards and silly". They are fascists.

Christians, as a whole, are fascists? News to me.

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Post by MrMcCall »

gadders wrote: post #110
MrMcCall wrote: post #103

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This is the framework that encompasses all of God's commands, thus all proper behavior, for the benefit of one and all: Always love. Teach to always love. Never hate. Teach to never hate. We believe that Christ lived for our virtues. He didn't come here to die, but to teach us how to live. "The greatest among you shall be the servant of all." --Christ JDV is learning one of the fool's saddest mistakes that power is n…

Unless you are a monk and already living a life of poverty, and giving all your belongings to others, you are already failing by your own standards.

We give 10% of our net to charity, though we are only required to give 5%.

It compounds our happiness and makes us richer of life, of happiness, and helps ensure we have enough to eat and live.

It proves our gratitude to God for Its generosity to us, for sustenance, shelter, spiritual help evolving, health, and joy.

"They have sold their soul for a small price."

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Post by MrMcCall »

lurk2 wrote: post #192
MrMcCall wrote: post #175

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> There is nothing in this verse which says that property is to be expropriated for the purposes of assuring others a particular standard of living, and I don’t think you’ll be able to find one. You're right; we have the free will to be as miserly as we choose. But if you want to be of Christ, you'll give your 5% or 10%, at least. Our societies also have the free will to choose to tax the rich to help the poor. A gov…

> but our govt should reflect the generosity of spirit we are called to manifest. The whole notion of state welfare necessarily involves the forcible expropriation of property, resistance to which is punishable by death. If I took $20 out of your wallet and gave it to someone else who I thought needed it more, it would not be charity, it would be theft. > i.e. we cannot serve two masters This was never suggested. Wea…

> involves the forcible expropriation of property

If you don't want to live in that society, move somewhere else. That's your free choice, too, but I counsel against it. Are you directly choosing to help maintain roads, and hospitals, and everything else that helps society function? No, but your taxes are.

> Is your soul in danger because you own a laptop, or is there more nuance to this issue than you're suggesting?

Nuance is lost on you, my friend.

If you think that the poor should just be left to their own devices, then you're bound to learn a painful lesson or three in this life. Those with no compassion should be prepared to deal with those who have no compassion for them.

Mayhaps you won't realize this until you are left with no other options but enduring the pain of being under the power of people who have no concern for your well-being. I hope you have a kinder fate than that, but you shall reap what you sow, my friend, as we all do, in time.

I am explaining these things for your benefit, not mine. You should reach beyond your current perspective and realize that I am only here for your benefit.

We love you, and only want you to be happy, too.

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Post by MrMcCall »

watwut wrote: post #191
MrMcCall wrote: post #179

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> Animals do cooperate, a lot and frequently. Including predators like lions. There are solitary animals, but cooperation is not rare. That is just pack behavior. Animals are nearly always at war among their own for territory, and will often attack other kinds animals that compete for their food sources, unless there is mutual benefit (e.g. deers and monkeys sharing alarm calls for tigers). > Animals do help others a…

> Animals are nearly always at war among their own for territory, This is not true. Quite a lot of animals are neither territorial nor at war constantly. > will often attack other kinds animals that compete for their food sources You should know that non aggressive animals exist. They are not some kind of exception at all. That being said, people have literal wars over important resources. They are no strangers of sy…

> What kind of new standard you are putting on in there?

We act like animals -- mammals, specifically -- when we do not seek to become more humane, a better humanitarian.

> half of America cheering on harm done to other Americans

"They are like the animals, only worse."

We are the only creatures that can consciously self-evolve ourselves toward complete compassion. That doesn't mean that 90% of us care enough about others to do it, as they obviously don't.

That is the reason this world is in the mess it's in. We could choose to compassionately care for our fellow human beings, but most people are too self-absorbed and too self-righteous to take the necessary steps.

As to what you say about animals, you're just plain wrong, but you're obviously committed to your worldview, so I wish you good luck with that.

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Post by chuckadams »

insomagent wrote: post #204
chuckadams wrote: post #25

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You're right, they're not "backwards and silly". They are fascists.

Christians, as a whole, are fascists? News to me.

No, but these ever-and-always-victimized-and-misunderstood MAGA chuds certainly are, especially when they try to wrap themselves in the cloak of "all Christians" for protection. D for effort.

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Post by RandomBacon »

toasterlovin wrote: post #154
RandomBacon wrote: post #114

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I find it interesting that the Episocopal Chirch in the United States has both old conservative members and young liberal members, and they all seem to get along as far as I can tell (many of them also believe in Theistic Evolution and don't shun science like others seem to think). I think it's a flavor of conservatism that is more libertarian. The Episcopal Church also has openly-gay priests and women priests, all o…

FWIW, conservative Episcopalians splintered and are no longer part of the same church. They're called Anglicans now.

The two conservative and rich Episocopal churches (annual budgets of over $1MM) that I know of are still Episcopal according to their websites. The people at those churches were very nice and not uptight ("hoity-toity") when I visited.

I did read the Wikipedia entry on "Anglican Realignment" though, thank you for that information.

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Post by gwbas1c »

shaftway wrote: post #127

Every time I've shopped at a Hobby Lobby, I've gotten a weird feeling that there's something else shady going on. They don't use barcodes to price any of the goods. Everything has a sticker on it, and the cashier types up everything by hand. Your receipt ends up just being a list of dollar amounts and a total, nothing identifying your purchases in any way. I just assumed that they're doing this so they can falsify au…

When I was a kid, a store called Spags was popular in my town. They hand-wrote a price on every item.

For some stores it's part of the charm.

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